2016 Postmortem

JCanete

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39. Parties survive or die by having money. A lot of money. You apparently, are okay with that

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:31 AM

Jul 2016

money coopting the democratic party's positions and message, perhaps because you are in favor of corporatist positions yourself, but Sander's positions aren't far afield of what the Democratic Party used to stand for. We have every right as part of the democratic party to help to define what our party should look like. I assure you the DNC leadership didn't simply invite him in out of the kindness of their hearts; they just didn't want to look like they were brokering the convention, even while for the most part, they were. Why? Because they have an interest in continuing to let us believe that the party operates on democratic principles.

Actually, in fairness, your proposal isn't that unreasonable. At least if the party had barred Bernie, it would have sent a more honest message than it wanted to about how things are done.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Chasstev365 Jul 2016 OP

I'm more sickened about the AstroTurf like DWS hate and tRumps TANGIBLE ties to Putin and his uponit7771 Jul 2016 #1

+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #12

Bingo. nt kstewart33 Jul 2016 #45

Yup. n/t GoCubsGo Jul 2016 #83

Not as sickened as we are by the BS supporters causing all the riots in convention hall liberal N proud Jul 2016 #2

^^^^^ (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #24

Holy shit! AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #53

Riot?!? So now peaceful protest is called rioting? Wow, just fucking wow onecaliberal Jul 2016 #55

This is peacful? liberal N proud Jul 2016 #65

Given the emails that we've seen and the conduct over the course of the campaign, there B Calm Jul 2016 #70

so lock her up? zenabby Jul 2016 #71

I wasn't chanting lock her up. I just tried to explain their anger. B Calm Jul 2016 #72

This still sucks and I'm on record here as Pro-Bernie AND anti- DWS.. whathehell Jul 2016 #85

Yea it sucks! This could have all been avoided if the DNC would have B Calm Jul 2016 #89

Still not an excuse for the "lock her up" shit.. whathehell Jul 2016 #91

No it's not. B Calm Jul 2016 #95

Solid.. whathehell Jul 2016 #97

Yeah, it's called fairness WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #99

Please post the texts of any emails that you have seen that show that the DNC Squinch Jul 2016 #82

what did you see that was not peaceful? lastone Jul 2016 #86

Disruptive is not peacful! liberal N proud Jul 2016 #100

The goons are rioting and have rioted before... joeybee12 Jul 2016 #98

Thank you. LisaM Jul 2016 #90

Perhaps if the DNC was impartial... mwooldri Jul 2016 #103

Honestly after watching BSers and dealing with them here, I don't believe that. liberal N proud Jul 2016 #108

Is there any actual evidence that anything DWS personally did influenced the outcome? Doodley Jul 2016 #3

That is not the correct standard. merrily Jul 2016 #10

Really? kcr Jul 2016 #15

Proof is the correct standard by objective people uponit7771 Jul 2016 #18

It's the standard if you're going to accuse people of things. Unless you agree with Trump. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #22

No matter who you agree with, the correct standard here is were they biased, not merrily Jul 2016 #26

Bias is meaningless if confined to private conversations. You can hate somone & be professional. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #44

+1 (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #56

This is the time to save any hate or anger for Donald Trump. Doodley Jul 2016 #30

If you see hate or anger in "That is not the correct standard," you may want to think about that. merrily Jul 2016 #38

I apologize if I gave that impression. I was not referring to you in particular, but those who are Doodley Jul 2016 #43

Thanks. I accept. The issue is whether the left is united, not whether the campaign is united. merrily Jul 2016 #49

Is it acceptable to you... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #51

Exactly how does interrogating me about what is acceptable to me relate to "That is merrily Jul 2016 #58

NO. eastwestdem Jul 2016 #111

Trashing RonniePudding Jul 2016 #4

Sick and tired of hearing about this. we can do it Jul 2016 #5

It's the biggest non-story since Hillary Clinton's emails. Doodley Jul 2016 #33

not remotely in the same league as nixon unblock Jul 2016 #6

Sickened so many recite that lie without a shred of evidence. The DNC DID NOTHING to stop Bernie. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #7

In fact, DWS and DNC helped the Independent run DURHAM D Jul 2016 #13

yeah, cuz you and the DNC elite should be the ones determining who does and does not belong in JCanete Jul 2016 #20

Facts are facts. DURHAM D Jul 2016 #23

Parties survive or die by having money. A lot of money. You apparently, are okay with that JCanete Jul 2016 #39

Why haven't you, since you disagree with what the party did with Bernie? merrily Jul 2016 #50

That is how political parties work liberal N proud Jul 2016 #27

sick that snarky emails are more important to people bigtree Jul 2016 #8

I've read a lot of sickening things on this board this year. merrily Jul 2016 #9

What anti-Semitic posts? zappaman Jul 2016 #28

At least one poster got banned for an anti-Semitic post and at least one poster apologized for them. merrily Jul 2016 #35

I think we know who was screaming about "anti-Semitic" posts Loki Jul 2016 #61

Yep. It's interesting because kcr Jul 2016 #76

Okay, but that is old news. Time to move on, because Donald Trump is the issue right now. Doodley Jul 2016 #36

Please stop spamming me. Thanks. merrily Jul 2016 #41

Your single minded desire to shut down a valid discussion is noted. JudyM Jul 2016 #73

They don't care melman Jul 2016 #11

No we don't care about bullshit astroturf winger memes, we agree uponit7771 Jul 2016 #19

The one that sickened me the most Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #14

What did she do wrong? treestar Jul 2016 #16

. JudyM Jul 2016 #81

not surprised Karen_J Jul 2016 #17

That argument MIGHT hold water were it not for the fact that he caucused onecaliberal Jul 2016 #59

I'l go with what Clinton, Sanders and Obama said about DWS. They're not 'sickened' and neither am I. Sunlei Jul 2016 #21

So you are sickened... Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #25

The psychological dynamics of politics mirrors religion. Dem or Rep, the same forces apply. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #29

What about thinking what she did was wrong but still just... TreasonousBastard Jul 2016 #31

I'm sickened by something else eom rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #32

Democrats fighting for Democrats. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #34

Sorry Dem2 Jul 2016 #37

The Nixonian approach is BREAKING INTO THE DNC DATABASE. It's what Watergate KittyWampus Jul 2016 #40

Two wrongs don't make a right. merrily Jul 2016 #42

Watergate was the actual illegal act pinned on him.It was the dirty tricks that really defined Nixon andym Jul 2016 #87

She didn't write the anti-atheist email. Are you objecting to the horrible email pnwmom Jul 2016 #46

What exactly did DWS do that had any effect on the primary election results? Arkansas Granny Jul 2016 #47

I think DWS did plenty of wrong things, and she should have stepped down long ago. Paladin Jul 2016 #48

DWS should have fallen on her sword after the 2014 elections DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #52

Putin thanks you! Maven Jul 2016 #54

Corporate American, big banks, insurance, pharma, and oil onecaliberal Jul 2016 #63

Ya know, you're right - I'm sure Donald Trump will get us much closer to single payer Maven Jul 2016 #64

You don't want our votes remember. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #66

Crying for your votes? Maven Jul 2016 #78

Can you justify the Sander's campaign hacking into Clinton's voter data? Loki Jul 2016 #57

It's called a double standard. annavictorious Jul 2016 #60

Which emails, specifically, were offensive or indicate some wrong action was taken? pnwmom Jul 2016 #62

Put a gun to your head and pull the trigger... or put a gun to my head and pull the trigger... heresAthingdotcom Jul 2016 #67

In other words, if we were calling Bernie the Presumptive nominee, everything would be hooky-dory? Stellar Jul 2016 #68

Chasstev365—I am not surprised. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #69

I wouldn't say "move on", I'd say... LAS14 Jul 2016 #74

Good point. n/t whathehell Jul 2016 #92

DWS didn't do anything wrong and failure to move on is just stupid. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #75

Reasonable standards are apparently applicable only cloudbase Jul 2016 #77

Sickened that you are sickened by the two emails out of 20,000 that were exchanged Squinch Jul 2016 #79

Indeed so Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #80

The primaries were not rigged. LisaM Jul 2016 #84

! Phlem Jul 2016 #102

K&R CharlotteVale Jul 2016 #88

Democrats favored the Democrat? johnp3907 Jul 2016 #93

So be very sick Gman Jul 2016 #94

I'm sickened by your post joeybee12 Jul 2016 #96

K&R! Thank you for this excellent post. Phlem Jul 2016 #101

I agree with everything you've said except... afertal Jul 2016 #104

It is possible Saviolo Jul 2016 #105

What did DNC actually do??!...Bernie lost move on beachbumbob Jul 2016 #106

You have to love the angry-because-we-got-caught excuses Android3.14 Jul 2016 #107

... geologic Jul 2016 #109

How many of these threads are we going to have today? vdogg Jul 2016 #110

Love DWS dvduval Jul 2016 #112