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58. It wasn't just odd -- it was evil and stupid

Mon Oct 20, 2025, 02:52 PM

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There is absolutely no justifying the 10/07 attacks against civilians, none.

But the hostages were bargaining chips and nothing more to Hamas. Alive hostages were worth more than dead ones. They were used to extract various concessions like releasing Palestinian prisoners and even to allow some aid in (but I’m not convinced Hamas cares much about that either).

But as I said, I can’t figure out Hamas political calculus and these recent attacks very well could be them or other splinter groups. Either way, I don’t think they have nearly as much power as they did earlier and it’s mostly spent. They overplayed their hands too and didn’t realize how little Netanyahu cared for the hostages either. He’s hanging on by a thread, because the others in his cabinet are even more extreme than he is. And of course, he wants to stay out of prison.

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