Israeli military launches attack on Gaza, Israeli media reports

[irisblue]

Source: Reuters

Summary
Hamas claims Israel violated ceasefire 47 times, causing deaths and injuries

Rafah border crossing remains closed amid ongoing ceasefire violations

Dispute over return of hostages' bodies continues between Israel and Hamas

Neither side has commented on reports of Sunday strikes in Gaza


snip-"JERUSALEM, Oct 19 (Reuters) - The Israeli military launched an attack on Gaza on Sunday, Israeli media reported, dimming hopes that a week-old U.S.-mediated ceasefire would lead to lasting peace in the enclave as Israel traded blame with Palestinian militant group Hamas.
An Israeli military official said on Sunday that Hamas had carried out multiple attacks against Israeli forces inside Gaza, including a rocket-propelled grenade attack and a sniper attack against Israeli soldiers."


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Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-media-reports-military-attack-gaza-2025-10-19/

[madaboutharry]

1. As long as Hamas exists the chance for anything resembling peace is zero.

Hamas continues to be enabled by forces that reach far beyond geography.

[AloeVera]

3. As long as Palestinians exist in their homeland the chance for anything resembling peace* is zero.

* peace = the ability to go on stealing Palestinian land without facing consequences.

Fixed it for you.

[Glorious bastard]

7. Over two million Palestinians existed in Israel for decades.

And it closely resembles peace.

They seem to be unaware that they stand no chance. How can they be so ignorant of their dire situation?

[WmChris]

11. Netanyahu's plan

His plan IMHO never included any lasting peace. He got the live hostages back and now he can exterminate the rest of the Palestinian population and give the land over to settlements

[Glorious bastard]

14. IMHO, Netanyahu's plans doesn't extended beyond saving his ass.

As long as the war goes on, his impending trials get delayed. I doubt that beyond his rhetoric there is anything more than that. If he ever wanted to exterminate Palestinians, he has two million of them within his borders to choose from without starting any wars.

But Netanyahu’s opinion of himself doesn’t reflect reality. He is quickly losing control of his options.

[LiberalArkie]

17. Israelis existed in Palestine for hundreds of years before the Zionists came from Europe.

[stopdiggin]

25. I think that is a rather confused perception

There were a small remnant of Jewish peoples that lived in what is now called Palestine ....

[LiberalArkie]

28. Yes indeed. And everyone was relatively peaceful until the Balfour Declaration.

[stopdiggin]

32. WITHOUT Israel - or any notion of ANY form of Jewish state

or national identity. (which was kind of the point)

[Glorious bastard]

54. Except the periods of warfare waged by various powers like

the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians, the Arabs, the Sassanides, the Kurds, the Crusaders, and the Ottomans, to name a few, waging endless wars against each other for the possession of the same land.

[Mossfern]

33. Treatment of Jews in pre- Israeli Palestine

Bulletin de l’Alliance israélite universelle, year 1910.

The Jewish condition in Muslim societies is governed by the dhimma, which institutes the status of dhimmi for Christians and Jews. A dhimmi is a “protected person” (this is the meaning of the word in Arabic), and as such is an inferior and submissive subject, restrained by a host of discriminatory and fiscal measures. According to historians specialized in Islam, Janine and Dominique Sourdel, dhimma is based primarily on a verse of the Koran: “Fight those who do not believe in God or the Last Day, who do not declare unlawful what God and His Messenger have declared unlawful, who do not practice the religion of Truth, among the holders of Scripture, until they pay the jizya, in compensation for this benefit and because of their inferiority” (Koran, IX, 29). As a result, note the two authors of the A Glossary of Islam, a two-tier society was created: “on the one hand, the level of the masters, distinguished above all by their membership of Islam, and on the other, the level of non-Muslims, who did not enjoy the same rights2“. This society “carried within it the seeds of intolerance which were to characterize, in every era and in every region, the rigorist Muslim states confronted with the problem of religious minorities3“.

In the nineteenth century, a great many accounts of Jewish life in Arab-Muslim lands reveal a condition characterized primarily by contempt. In 1910, a Western traveler to Yemen4 wrote: “The Jew is the beast on whom one beats at any time, for no reason, to calm one’s nerves, to appease one’s anger”. Between Jews and Arab-Muslims, coexistence is fragile, and remains at the mercy of the slightest incident, especially when Jews forget what Muslim society calls “their sense of humility”. Codified violence keeps everyone in their place, at the risk of being accompanied by the spilling of blood.

Based on a study of the archives of Islamic courts in Palestine, Israeli historian Amnon Cohen reconstructs the reality of the condition of Jewish dhimmis before the beginnings of Zionism, based on legal and administrative sources spanning almost six hundred years, from the Prophet to Saladin in the XIIth century. These documents attest to the fact that the so-called “Pact of Umar”, i.e. the codification of the dhimma, “had retained for many generations an indisputable character”. However, contrary to its official name, the “Pact of Umar” is not a treaty signed between two parties. It was not the subject of negotiation, but a constraint exerted on subjugated populations.

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/

Less than 4 paragraphs

[stopdiggin]

35. Yes - but, "everyone mostly got along .."

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[Mossfern]

57. Yeah

Like a slave and a 'benevolent' master.

[paleotn]

40. You did it to me so I am free to do it to you. Is that what you're getting at?

Not very adult, eh? Are they going to start gassing those pesky Germans next?

[Mossfern]

47. No

That is not what I meant.

It's important that people understand the history of the area, not a curated version.
I do not, nor have I ever supported Netanyahu or the right wing in Israel.

[stopdiggin]

60. No. what a handful of posters are trying to articulate

Is that the idea that the area in question was just 'happy families', until the advent of Zionism - is significantly in error.
And neither endorsement nor condemnation of the current State is either necessary or included in that simple statement of fact.

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[Glorious bastard]

53. Israelis only existed between around 900 BC to around 650 BC

And 1948 AD to today At no other time there were a people called Israelis because there was no entity called Israel.

At other times, there were a multitude of nations, among them Canaanites, Egyptians, Hittites, Babylonians, Arameans, Edomeans, Greeks, Romani’s, Parthians, Arabs, Turks, And Brits, to mention just a few, that were, at one time or another, in possession of that land.

I have no idea which ones, if any, you are referring to.

[Exp]

44. Not decades, sir, MILLENNIA! Seriously, got history??

Fixed it for you.

[Glorious bastard]

52. I am not sure what you intended to fix for me, but whatever it is,

Last edited Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:07 AM - Edit history (1)

Cannot possibly be historically accurate.

If you are talking about Palestinian Arabs, they didn’t settle in Palestine until Muslim Arabs colonized the land of Palestine early in the eighth century AD. Until then, Palestine was the land of Jews, Samaritan’s, Seleucid Greeks and Parthians.

If, on the other hand, you are talking about Israeli Palestinians, it is self-evident that they didn’t become Israelis until Israel became a sovereign state some seventy years ago.

[Polybius]

43. Nearly all land was stolen at one point in time, or lost in war

It's been nearly 80 years. At what point would it be considered Israel's land to you?

[fujiyamasan]

38. I agree with this except for the fact

That Israel’s rightward lurch over the last decade signals that it isn’t interested in a lasting peace either, at least not one that allows for Palestinian self rule.

If you have heard anything from the current Israeli administration, its clear they don’t believe in a two state solution, and much of the rhetoric is about driving Gazans out of Gaza, and making life for residents of the West Bank miserable as well. They’re one step away from annexing the West Bank and ethnically cleansing their residents and have basically already done as much in Gaza by flattening it and withholding aid. Not sure why I should believe it’s government anymore than Hamas at this point.

[paleotn]

39. And some forces that don't reach very far at all....

Israeli relig-o-nut settlers and their political arm that props up Bibi the Butcher.

[moniss]

42. There is no certainty of whether this was Hamas or

one of the several "militias" that Netanyahu armed and stood up or even some of the offshoot groups of Palestinian resistance. All violence in Gaza is not exclusive to Hamas and the IDF. These various militias that Netanyahu stood up cease to have money and arms flowing in if things go well. It is not unheard of in the Middle East for various militias to pull "attacks" on their benefactors, blame others and then claim it shows a need for continued weapons and cash.

The entire history of the last more than 100 years with the British, French and the US is littered with this very sort of thing. The one they wanted to assassinate today becomes their chosen tool tomorrow and then by the following day they are back to their original desire. Setting up various factions with weapons and cash has a very predictable outcome of coming back to bite you.

[iemanja]

56. We were told all that was necessary was for

Hamas to turn over all the hostages and the “war” would end. They did that, yet clearly it stopped nothing. Now Israel invents other excuses to bomb innocent civilians and block humanitarian aid. It proves that the target has never been Hamas and the reason has never been the hostages. The goal is genocide and a massive land grab. The continual shifting of the goal posts only exposes Israel’s true intent.

[Champp]

2. "Trump-brand peace will last 3,000 years. Trust me." - Republican Felon-in-Chief

[ananda]

10. More like 3 days, if that.

Of course in Trump land, peace is war
and war is peace.

[Glorious bastard]

4. Terror operatives fired RPGs at Israeli troops in Rafah today, says IDF, prompting airstrikes

The IDF says Palestinian terror operatives fired RPGs and carried out sniper fire against Israeli forces operating in the Rafah area of the southern Gaza Strip earlier today.

The troops were operating on the eastern side of the Yellow Line — an area under IDF control in line with the ceasefire deal with Hamas — to destroy terror infrastructure in the area “in accordance with the agreement,” the military says.

Immediately after the attacks, the IDF says it carried out airstrikes with fighter jets and artillery shelling in Rafah to “remove threats,” during which several tunnels and buildings where terror operatives were identified were destroyed.

“This is a blatant violation of the ceasefire agreement; the IDF will respond forcefully,” the army adds.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/terror-operatives-fired-rpgs-at-israeli-troops-in-rafah-today-says-idf-prompting-airstrikes/

[stopdiggin]

29. Yep. And thanks for being the single post on this thread ..

that is pointing to gross violation - going both directions.
(as we all knew to be the case in any event)

[sinkingfeeling]

5. Is there a Nobel Failed Peace Prize TSF can get?

[bronxiteforever]

6. GOP failed foreign policy in action.

GOP has weakened the US and all we can do is blow up Latin Americans. Failure follows failure, weakness follows weakness.

[Traildogbob]

9. What

Kushner the Peace Czar failed?
Those real estate deals may not pan out for luxury beach front billionaires, like Kushner/Trump thieves.
And their besties.
Any comments Rubio, about that Big Beautiful Peace Plan you ranted about to daddy, with your tongue up his ass?

[Biophilic]

8. Well, this is no surprise, but it is sad.

[PSPS]

12. This was a charade from the beginning

"Bibi" had no intention of following through with this. He pretended to do so only to ingratiate himself with trump so the US taxpayer money and bombs would continue and his frankenstein coalition would continue to keep him in power and out of prison.

Trump, as usual, just said things that sound good on fox news, claiming that he, the most peace-dealing president in the history of the universe, would win the nobel. Plus, he appointed himself the king of Gaza.

One big tell on this was Kushner's involvement. He's the real estate bagman for the trump organization. The real end game here is to finish the genocide, flatten what little is left, wiping gaza off the map, and build Gaz-A-Lago.

[NH Ethylene]

15. Exactly.

It's sad that the Palestinian people got their hopes up and moved back to their wiped-out homes thinking they were going to rebuild their lives.

[stopdiggin]

27. then Hamas must be playing on the Kushner/Trump team as well .. ?

because they certainly manged to bungle this 'process' in short order

[Orrex]

13. Thus continues Netanyahu's years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder

Also:

The Israeli military launched an attack on Gaza on Sunday, Israeli media reported, dimming hopes that a week-old U.S.-mediated ceasefire would lead to lasting peace

"Dimming hopes?" More like "deliberately shattering hopes."

[MorbidButterflyTat]

48. "...U.S.-mediated ceasefire..."

What a load.

[Turbineguy]

16. Weren't we betting it would hold for two weeks?

[Fil1957]

18. It was great the hostages were returned, but the impression I got from much of the media was that

this was the END of the conflict -- Trump was able to do what no other leader had done before, bring a lasting peace to the Mideast. As much as I dislike him and his policies, I was hoping this to be true, but I had my doubts.

Now one week later we know the killing will continue. I wonder how media will spin this.

[azureblue]

50. look at Netti's track record - he has done this before -

subject Palestinians to impossible living conditions, take over their land, kill / beat up civilians. The PLO or whatever org. represents Palestine, retaliated, then Netti bombs the hell out of Palestine, killing women, children, aid workers and doctors alike. When the world is ready to rise up against him, he says he will negotiate a cease fire agreement that involved Palestine giving up something. And as SOON as he gets that, he goes back to killing Palestinians.

And this is all over the post WW2 decree made by Allied victors that took land from Palestine to set up the state of Israel, with no input from Palestine. And no compensation either. But no other country wanted the Jews enough to give up their land to give them a place to live.

This could have been a two state solution IF Palestine was in negotiations from the beginning, and the relocation of Jews done properly. Then Netti comes along with his program of forcing Palestinians out of their territory and taking over their land with "Settlements". The Arab world knew Israel had the backing of the US, so they were not about to get involved. And Israel was getting tons of money, supplies and arms from America, while Palestine was left on its own.

[Bayard]

19. Bibi used the, "peace," to get Gazans to come back home,

In the belief the nightmare was over. Then he bombed them.

Just more scheming between him and trump.

[Bettie]

36. Well, to build hotels, resorts, condos

and golf courses, they need the people who live there dead.

Bombing them is just extra fun for Netanyahu....he seems to enjoy the killing almost as much as the not going to trial for criminal acts he has committed.

[republianmushroom]

20. The cease firer lasted longer than I thought it would.

Will the broken cease firer be enough for trump to get the Nobel Peace award ?

[irisblue]

21. I'm 90% sure that the apricothellbeast is more hated then Shrub Bush was in 2003-2009

Apricothellbeast is never ever getting a Nobel, for anything

[Farmer-Rick]

23. Welllllll......since you asked

They gave the 2025 "peace" prize to a Venezuelan woman who participated in a violent coupe against her country. And she is just fine and dandy with a foreign wannabe king, on a whim, blowing up Venezeuelans who dare ride in boats. She is just another pedo Trump sycophant.

So, yeah, maybe pedo Trump has done enough to get the committee to give him the "peace" prize next year.

[Exp]

22. The I.D.F. LOVES to BOMB Gaza!. Antifa Ideology will NEVER FORGIVE.

The WORLD will NEVER FORGET!

[pwb]

24. Ah Shit

So I guess this will be Joe Biden's failed peace plan now?

[WestMichRad]

26. Good thing there was a peace agreement

Would hate to see what could happen without it.

[Iggo]

30. Gosh! What a totally unexpected surprise! Let the genocide resume!

[Bluestocking]

31. So let me get this straight

Biden gets 140 hostages released and the fighting continues and Trump gets 20 hostages released and the fighting continues. I guess when up is down and down is up 20 is greater than 140

[Paper Roses]

34. From the minute the cease fire was announced, we all knew this was a farce.

Another trump failure for which he took credit before the fact.. There was no hope that this would hold, just good publicity for the orange criminal.

[paleotn]

37. Was only a matter of time.

We said that before the ink was even dry on Trump's "agreement." Good thing the Nobel committee thought better of it. They knew too.

[LudwigPastorius]

41. Just look at this jackass.

[AntiFascist]

45. Ah, the art of the Trump deal strikes again! n/t

[Bluetus]

46. So I guess this means that Trump is down to

only 9 wars he has ended.

Kiss that peace prize goodbye.

[fujiyamasan]

49. The last thing I would do is defend Hamas or any such group that launches terrorist attacks and takes hostages

It would be odd for them at this point to launch attacks after returning hostages that were kept alive. It was their only bargaining chip. It was also the only thing restraining Netanyahu from making this situation even worse (if such a thing is possible).

As another poster said, it could be other groups attacking, or Israel launching more attacks on false pretexts, or any combination thereof. It’s impossible to understand the motivation of religious lunatics on either side. All I know is that after over two years since the 10/07 attacks, we have seen non stop devastation, death, destruction, starvation, and ethnic cleansing of the people of Gaza.

There are no military targets left in Gaza (or even civilian targets for that matter making more attacks, additional war crimes). Hamas basically admitted defeat by agreeing to the ceasefire, largely due to discontent among Gazans.

[Glorious bastard]

55. They didn't have any hostages two years ago, yet they attacked.

Was that odd? Yet they attacked.

[fujiyamasan]

58. It wasn't just odd -- it was evil and stupid

There is absolutely no justifying the 10/07 attacks against civilians, none.

But the hostages were bargaining chips and nothing more to Hamas. Alive hostages were worth more than dead ones. They were used to extract various concessions like releasing Palestinian prisoners and even to allow some aid in (but I’m not convinced Hamas cares much about that either).

But as I said, I can’t figure out Hamas political calculus and these recent attacks very well could be them or other splinter groups. Either way, I don’t think they have nearly as much power as they did earlier and it’s mostly spent. They overplayed their hands too and didn’t realize how little Netanyahu cared for the hostages either. He’s hanging on by a thread, because the others in his cabinet are even more extreme than he is. And of course, he wants to stay out of prison.

[Glorious bastard]

59. And yet, two years ago, being evil and stupid, they attacked without having hostages as bargaining chips.

My point is, not having hostages never stopped them from attacking. Why would anyone think not having hostages would stop their attacks, now or in the future?

Their calculus is not political, and not even rational. They are bloodthirsty religious fanatics. They wouldn’t think twice about what makes sense, just as they didn’t two years ago, when they broke a long standing cease fire to attack and take hostages.

[fujiyamasan]

61. Why would they also bother giving up the only leverage they had?

[Glorious bastard]

62. Because the price they paid for holding them became too high.

And the benefits they expected from releasing them were disappearing.

Also, the chances of hostages being rescued with zero benefits to Hamas became too high.

[mwb970]

51. This reminds me ofstories from before trump brought peace to the Middle East.