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113. But you see those people aren't "hostages".

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Sat May 17, 2025, 09:25 PM

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They are not murdered and raped, beaten, not allowed to return to their families, kept in the dark, and threatened with violence, tied up, starved, harassed and screamed at daily. Many returning with serious physical problems like missing limbs for example, or acute malnutrition, or mental illnesses.

Oh wait. They ARE. THOUSANDS of Palestinians in Israeli torture-prisons are suffering all of these horrific things. Without any charges even.

It's very odd that nobody talks about THEM, though it's been going on for decades. As if it's par for the course for being Palestinian - which it sadly is.

As for the settlers' violence and the ongoing dispossessions and land confiscations - nobody talks about that either.

As if everything started on October 7th or something.

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Geeeeebz! electric_blue68 Yesterday #1

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A fucking hyporite. Beastly Boy Yesterday #7

Didn't Israel Eko Yesterday #38

No. No it didn't. Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #47

Here is some info from Israeli Newspapers IbogaProject 22 hrs ago #55

Does any of your sources contradich what I posted? Beastly Boy 22 hrs ago #58

Seems like they did. Eko 19 hrs ago #96

Do you ever read articles beyond headlines? I do. Most of the time. Beastly Boy 19 hrs ago #97

Ya I read the whole thing. Eko 17 hrs ago #104

I congrtulate you on reading the whole thing. Beastly Boy 13 hrs ago #125

So, Eko 17 hrs ago #105

I have full confidence in you to find the fallacy imbedded in this question. Beastly Boy 13 hrs ago #126

Ah, well, why dont you? Eko 12 hrs ago #127

You mean the UN agency UNRWA - the lifeline for Palestinians - that Israel destroyed? AloeVera 17 hrs ago #103

Must be a different UNRWA. Beastly Boy 15 hrs ago #118

Yes, your UNRWA is a fantasy. AloeVera 14 hrs ago #120

Yes, an independently confirmed fantasy widely covered in the media as if it were fact-based. Their mistale. Beastly Boy 14 hrs ago #123

Here you go. AloeVera 2 hrs ago #144

Thank you. Very helpful indeed. Something that you previously called a fantasy being confirmed as fact Beastly Boy 2 hrs ago #146

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👍 claudette Yesterday #5

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More blah blah blah claudette Yesterday #33

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I don't get the part where Israel is defending itself by killing women and children. Permanut 21 hrs ago #79

Do you get the part where Israel is defending itself against Hamas, the Houhtis, Islamic Jihad, Iran, and Syria? Beastly Boy 20 hrs ago #83

I Missed The Part About Blocking Food and Supplies to Women and Children in Mass Starvation DrFunkenstein 16 hrs ago #115

My question was about what you did get, not what you missed. Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #130

I've had distain for Netanyahoo for decades...but don't forget Israel's been... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #60

You're right. I should not have said Jews. I'm usually more careful in distinguishing between Israel's rabid right.... FadedMullet 21 hrs ago #74

It is warfare. In self defense. Beastly Boy Yesterday #8

Why not drop in military personnel instead to raid the hospitals? cstanleytech 19 hrs ago #95

Drop them in where? Beastly Boy 19 hrs ago #98

Well there are other options than dropping them. cstanleytech 16 hrs ago #112

The questions remain: send them in where? Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #129

Well a good place to send them might be where they hit with the missiles perhaps?? cstanleytech 4 hrs ago #132

The same targets they are hitting now except doing so not with a single strike but Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #136

Your last question is not really a good one since most of us don't know and that's why I'm asking my question. cstanleytech 4 hrs ago #137

Well, your observation is exactly the reason my question is a good one. Beastly Boy 3 hrs ago #139

I'm not proposing it. I'm simply wondering why they choose air strikes rather than ground troops. cstanleytech 3 hrs ago #141

Your wondering contains a proposition for a ground assault. Beastly Boy 2 hrs ago #143

Ahhh. Okay. Thanks for explaining your thoughts on why 🙂 cstanleytech 1 hr ago #148

And, drum roll, supplying the weapons. twodogsbarking Yesterday #14

Hamas needs to return the hostages. Mossfern Yesterday #15

Israel is destroying Gaza and committing BuddhaGirl Yesterday #17

So..... Mossfern Yesterday #18

Ummm... electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #68

It's UNRWA Beastly Boy 21 hrs ago #80

Thanks for posting this, I was napping Mossfern 19 hrs ago #94

They wanted to but Netanyahu broke the ceasefire. AloeVera Yesterday #30

I could agree with what you are saying Mossfern Yesterday #31

Do we need a solution to the whole issue before we can agree that this slaughter of civilians is wrong? AloeVera Yesterday #35

No. We need to free the hostages. Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #51

Bullshit. No one was stoping them from returning the hostages. Ever. Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #49

Israel won't stop committing war crimes until the enemy capitulates? AloeVera 3 hrs ago #140

Huh? Do you even hear what YOU are admitting to? Beastly Boy 2 hrs ago #142

Willfully missing the point and putting words in my mouth to demonize me. Again. AloeVera 2 hrs ago #145

The abhorrent premise behind your point makes it immaterial. Beastly Boy 1 hr ago #147

"The Holy Land" Skittles Yesterday #6

YES, and the religious right (MAGA rethugs) want this same shit bluestarone 17 hrs ago #106

Genocide in plain sight, Bayard Yesterday #10

No need. The absurdity of the same old tired talking points is self-evident. Beastly Boy Yesterday #11

Back at'cha! Bayard 22 hrs ago #62

If I had all the time in the world, I am sure I could have come up with a weaker response. Beastly Boy 21 hrs ago #69

I'm going to tell Mom! Bayard 21 hrs ago #73

Tired talking points and deflections fail to stop the slaughter. PufPuf23 21 hrs ago #78

Religion nowforever Yesterday #12

I'm all in. twodogsbarking Yesterday #13

You are so correct ! kimbutgar Yesterday #28

I'm sure that this is all Hamas' fault, and they can end it whenever they want Orrex Yesterday #16

I don't know of any Bibi apologists here Mossfern Yesterday #19

Maybe you can explain how murdering tens of thousands of civilians will free the hostages Orrex Yesterday #21

I didn't say that I agree with the bombings -don't put words into my mouth Mossfern Yesterday #24

What has HAMAs offered? MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #29

Yes, Palestinians should just stay in their "borders". AloeVera 21 hrs ago #70

Maybe you can explain how taking and holding the hostages will end civilian deaths. Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #52

If one supports current Israeli activities in Gaza or the West Bank, one is a PufPuf23 20 hrs ago #81

Are you saying that there are Bibi apologists here? MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #20

I asked that question here not too long ago Mossfern Yesterday #25

Yeah, I remember that thread, MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #26

Obviously, any link to an apologist would get alerted on for calling them out muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #34

I myself would never alert on such a post, although I do understand that it could be considered a call out, MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #36

You've got the cause and effect exactly reversed. Beastly Boy 22 hrs ago #56

Not really, you don't have to call out any DU poster, just point to the thread you think it happened in.. EX500rider 22 hrs ago #63

No need to point to threads, beyond those with "Gaza" in the title muriel_volestrangler 20 hrs ago #85

I see, so there are none? EX500rider 20 hrs ago #88

No, you don't see. muriel_volestrangler 20 hrs ago #89

Yep. They will have to live with the stink of genocide they supported. Hassin Bin Sober 17 hrs ago #110

You're asking me to call out DUers by name in violation of the TOS Orrex Yesterday #39

I'm just as horrified by the carnage on both sides, MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #41

But that's just nonsense Orrex Yesterday #43

Israel already had 10s of thousands of prisoners it held in prison w/o charges questionseverything 17 hrs ago #108

And don't you pretend that HAMAs invaded Israel, torturing, maiming, raping, murdering, kidnapping MarineCombatEngineer 16 hrs ago #111

But you see those people aren't "hostages". AloeVera 16 hrs ago #113

You will be hard pressed to find any DUers arguing in favor of the way the Netanyahu's government conducts the war Beastly Boy 22 hrs ago #61

Oh my God, I am so relieved! AloeVera 17 hrs ago #107

I am very happy for you. I hope you enjoyed it. Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #128

I do enjoy it. You do provide endless entertainment. AloeVera 4 hrs ago #133

Of course you are not sure what I mean. You never were. Beastly Boy 3 hrs ago #138

Careful... Hieronymus Phact Yesterday #22

LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #23

Let's talk numbers. Orrex Yesterday #40

"How many Palestinian civilians has Israel killed?" EX500rider 22 hrs ago #64

Isn't part of the problem that some of the IDF has done rogue things.. electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #71

Right, right. Orrex 19 hrs ago #93

People's lives aren't numbers Hieronymus Phact 21 hrs ago #66

But slaughter of innocents is always wrong, right? AloeVera 20 hrs ago #84

I never implied otherwise Hieronymus Phact 17 hrs ago #102

The only people who ever make that "people aren't numbers" argument Orrex 20 hrs ago #90

You never answered Hieronymus Phact 17 hrs ago #109

I'm betting that you aren't really that naive. Orrex 15 hrs ago #117

I told you: not playing your numbers games Hieronymus Phact 4 hrs ago #131

That's a preposterous comparison. Beastly Boy 21 hrs ago #67

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That would be good news indeed if Netanyahu hadn't already said: AloeVera Yesterday #37

Releasing the hostages and/or their remains couldn't hurt. Frasier Balzov Yesterday #42

Right. But all along, that's been the claim. Orrex 23 hrs ago #44

If shaming Israel's cruelty is Hamas's objective Frasier Balzov 23 hrs ago #50

That's a lot of words to say "Palestinian children deserve to die en masse" Orrex 23 hrs ago #54

Islam asks us. Frasier Balzov 22 hrs ago #57

All religious justifications are bullshit, no exceptions. Orrex 22 hrs ago #59

I wish they would. AloeVera 23 hrs ago #45

What will stop this war . . . Richard D 23 hrs ago #46

Call me suspicious, but methinks your quote is fake. Beastly Boy 21 hrs ago #72

No. There isn't. N/T AloeVera 19 hrs ago #92

Seriously? Beastly Boy 18 hrs ago #99

She's being quite transparent in defending HAMAs and vilifying Israel. MarineCombatEngineer 4 hrs ago #134

"Operation Gideon's Chariots" LudwigPastorius 23 hrs ago #53

Yes, indeed. Netanyahu doesn't have to "trust in God's power" because he has 1000 pound bombs and fighter jets. FadedMullet 21 hrs ago #75

With 2000 pound bombs, who even needs God anymore? AloeVera 21 hrs ago #77

The odd thing is that in the early Bible, the only people with chariots are the baddies muriel_volestrangler 20 hrs ago #87

I don't follow Israel/Palestinians/Arabs issues That closely but I have been off & on for decades. This comment from... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #65

That's not what he said. I noted it earlier. Beastly Boy 21 hrs ago #76

"Making sure this never happens again is THE goal." LudwigPastorius 15 hrs ago #119

You may be confusing cause and effect. Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #135

The hostages and Oct 7 provided the pretext to achieve hidden goals. AloeVera 20 hrs ago #82

Yeah, blame the victims. Beastly Boy 20 hrs ago #86

Lol. I've been wondering the same about your side! AloeVera 19 hrs ago #91

Just to bring a glaring oxymoron in your statement to your attention: Beastly Boy 18 hrs ago #100

You misread or something. AloeVera 18 hrs ago #101

Or something. Beastly Boy 16 hrs ago #114

I faulted the hostages? AloeVera 15 hrs ago #116

Ummm... yeah! Beastly Boy 14 hrs ago #121

I'm sorry about your reading comprehension. AloeVera 14 hrs ago #122

I am almost tempted to apologize. Beastly Boy 13 hrs ago #124