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55. Here is some info from Israeli Newspapers

Sat May 17, 2025, 03:25 PM

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The simple summary is two wrongs don't make right. It is a shame as we have family there at risk due to very bad policies by the corrupt conservative government. I became aware of this issue decades ago as I have a friend who's parents were displaced during the Nakba in 1948. The times of Israel article from Oct 8 2023 is very informative about how Oct 7 was at best negligence or worse actively allowed to happen.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-05-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/six-basic-facts-about-the-nakba-everyone-should-know/00000188-2e5d-d6e4-ab9d-eefdb0fe0000
https://archive.is/2QuxO

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-03-26/ty-article/.premium/prime-ministers-office-netanyahu-knew-that-hamas-had-diverted-4m-to-military-wing/00000195-cf86-d104-adfd-ffdf9e100000
https://archive.is/TRgNF

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Israel launches major offensive in Gaza after airstrikes that killed more than 100 [View all] muriel_volestrangler Yesterday OP

Geeeeebz! electric_blue68 Yesterday #1

UN Human Rights Chief: "tantamount to ethnic cleansing" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #2

A fucking hyporite. Beastly Boy Yesterday #7

Didn't Israel Eko Yesterday #38

No. No it didn't. Beastly Boy Yesterday #47

Here is some info from Israeli Newspapers IbogaProject 23 hrs ago #55

Does any of your sources contradich what I posted? Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #58

Seems like they did. Eko 19 hrs ago #96

Do you ever read articles beyond headlines? I do. Most of the time. Beastly Boy 19 hrs ago #97

Ya I read the whole thing. Eko 18 hrs ago #104

I congrtulate you on reading the whole thing. Beastly Boy 13 hrs ago #125

So, Eko 18 hrs ago #105

I have full confidence in you to find the fallacy imbedded in this question. Beastly Boy 13 hrs ago #126

Ah, well, why dont you? Eko 12 hrs ago #127

You mean the UN agency UNRWA - the lifeline for Palestinians - that Israel destroyed? AloeVera 18 hrs ago #103

Must be a different UNRWA. Beastly Boy 15 hrs ago #118

Yes, your UNRWA is a fantasy. AloeVera 15 hrs ago #120

Yes, an independently confirmed fantasy widely covered in the media as if it were fact-based. Their mistale. Beastly Boy 14 hrs ago #123

Here you go. AloeVera 2 hrs ago #144

Thank you. Very helpful indeed. Something that you previously called a fantasy being confirmed as fact Beastly Boy 2 hrs ago #146

Disgusting claudette Yesterday #3

Ain't that the truth? The influence of AIPAC and the other pro-Israeli lobbyists, as well as our historically.... FadedMullet Yesterday #4

👍 claudette Yesterday #5

It looks like Trump is giving it a serious rethink. Beastly Boy Yesterday #9

Hezbollah mainains the largest non-state military in the WORLD. Mosby Yesterday #32

More blah blah blah claudette Yesterday #33

Hezbollah is the reason Israel needs US military aid to defend itself. Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #48

I don't get the part where Israel is defending itself by killing women and children. Permanut 21 hrs ago #79

Do you get the part where Israel is defending itself against Hamas, the Houhtis, Islamic Jihad, Iran, and Syria? Beastly Boy 21 hrs ago #83

I Missed The Part About Blocking Food and Supplies to Women and Children in Mass Starvation DrFunkenstein 16 hrs ago #115

My question was about what you did get, not what you missed. Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #130

I've had distain for Netanyahoo for decades...but don't forget Israel's been... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #60

You're right. I should not have said Jews. I'm usually more careful in distinguishing between Israel's rabid right.... FadedMullet 21 hrs ago #74

It is warfare. In self defense. Beastly Boy Yesterday #8

Why not drop in military personnel instead to raid the hospitals? cstanleytech 19 hrs ago #95

Drop them in where? Beastly Boy 19 hrs ago #98

Well there are other options than dropping them. cstanleytech 17 hrs ago #112

The questions remain: send them in where? Beastly Boy 5 hrs ago #129

Well a good place to send them might be where they hit with the missiles perhaps?? cstanleytech 4 hrs ago #132

The same targets they are hitting now except doing so not with a single strike but Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #136

Your last question is not really a good one since most of us don't know and that's why I'm asking my question. cstanleytech 4 hrs ago #137

Well, your observation is exactly the reason my question is a good one. Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #139

I'm not proposing it. I'm simply wondering why they choose air strikes rather than ground troops. cstanleytech 3 hrs ago #141

Your wondering contains a proposition for a ground assault. Beastly Boy 3 hrs ago #143

Ahhh. Okay. Thanks for explaining your thoughts on why 🙂 cstanleytech 1 hr ago #148

And, drum roll, supplying the weapons. twodogsbarking Yesterday #14

Hamas needs to return the hostages. Mossfern Yesterday #15

Israel is destroying Gaza and committing BuddhaGirl Yesterday #17

So..... Mossfern Yesterday #18

Ummm... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #68

It's UNRWA Beastly Boy 21 hrs ago #80

Thanks for posting this, I was napping Mossfern 20 hrs ago #94

They wanted to but Netanyahu broke the ceasefire. AloeVera Yesterday #30

I could agree with what you are saying Mossfern Yesterday #31

Do we need a solution to the whole issue before we can agree that this slaughter of civilians is wrong? AloeVera Yesterday #35

No. We need to free the hostages. Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #51

Bullshit. No one was stoping them from returning the hostages. Ever. Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #49

Israel won't stop committing war crimes until the enemy capitulates? AloeVera 3 hrs ago #140

Huh? Do you even hear what YOU are admitting to? Beastly Boy 3 hrs ago #142

Willfully missing the point and putting words in my mouth to demonize me. Again. AloeVera 2 hrs ago #145

The abhorrent premise behind your point makes it immaterial. Beastly Boy 2 hrs ago #147

"The Holy Land" Skittles Yesterday #6

YES, and the religious right (MAGA rethugs) want this same shit bluestarone 18 hrs ago #106

Genocide in plain sight, Bayard Yesterday #10

No need. The absurdity of the same old tired talking points is self-evident. Beastly Boy Yesterday #11

Back at'cha! Bayard 22 hrs ago #62

If I had all the time in the world, I am sure I could have come up with a weaker response. Beastly Boy 22 hrs ago #69

I'm going to tell Mom! Bayard 21 hrs ago #73

Tired talking points and deflections fail to stop the slaughter. PufPuf23 21 hrs ago #78

Religion nowforever Yesterday #12

I'm all in. twodogsbarking Yesterday #13

You are so correct ! kimbutgar Yesterday #28

I'm sure that this is all Hamas' fault, and they can end it whenever they want Orrex Yesterday #16

I don't know of any Bibi apologists here Mossfern Yesterday #19

Maybe you can explain how murdering tens of thousands of civilians will free the hostages Orrex Yesterday #21

I didn't say that I agree with the bombings -don't put words into my mouth Mossfern Yesterday #24

What has HAMAs offered? MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #29

Yes, Palestinians should just stay in their "borders". AloeVera 22 hrs ago #70

Maybe you can explain how taking and holding the hostages will end civilian deaths. Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #52

If one supports current Israeli activities in Gaza or the West Bank, one is a PufPuf23 21 hrs ago #81

Are you saying that there are Bibi apologists here? MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #20

I asked that question here not too long ago Mossfern Yesterday #25

Yeah, I remember that thread, MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #26

Obviously, any link to an apologist would get alerted on for calling them out muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #34

I myself would never alert on such a post, although I do understand that it could be considered a call out, MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #36

You've got the cause and effect exactly reversed. Beastly Boy 23 hrs ago #56

Not really, you don't have to call out any DU poster, just point to the thread you think it happened in.. EX500rider 22 hrs ago #63

No need to point to threads, beyond those with "Gaza" in the title muriel_volestrangler 20 hrs ago #85

I see, so there are none? EX500rider 20 hrs ago #88

No, you don't see. muriel_volestrangler 20 hrs ago #89

Yep. They will have to live with the stink of genocide they supported. Hassin Bin Sober 17 hrs ago #110

You're asking me to call out DUers by name in violation of the TOS Orrex Yesterday #39

I'm just as horrified by the carnage on both sides, MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #41

But that's just nonsense Orrex Yesterday #43

Israel already had 10s of thousands of prisoners it held in prison w/o charges questionseverything 17 hrs ago #108

And don't you pretend that HAMAs invaded Israel, torturing, maiming, raping, murdering, kidnapping MarineCombatEngineer 17 hrs ago #111

But you see those people aren't "hostages". AloeVera 17 hrs ago #113

You will be hard pressed to find any DUers arguing in favor of the way the Netanyahu's government conducts the war Beastly Boy 22 hrs ago #61

Oh my God, I am so relieved! AloeVera 17 hrs ago #107

I am very happy for you. I hope you enjoyed it. Beastly Boy 5 hrs ago #128

I do enjoy it. You do provide endless entertainment. AloeVera 4 hrs ago #133

Of course you are not sure what I mean. You never were. Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #138

Careful... Hieronymus Phact Yesterday #22

LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #23

Let's talk numbers. Orrex Yesterday #40

"How many Palestinian civilians has Israel killed?" EX500rider 22 hrs ago #64

Isn't part of the problem that some of the IDF has done rogue things.. electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #71

Right, right. Orrex 20 hrs ago #93

People's lives aren't numbers Hieronymus Phact 22 hrs ago #66

But slaughter of innocents is always wrong, right? AloeVera 20 hrs ago #84

I never implied otherwise Hieronymus Phact 18 hrs ago #102

The only people who ever make that "people aren't numbers" argument Orrex 20 hrs ago #90

You never answered Hieronymus Phact 17 hrs ago #109

I'm betting that you aren't really that naive. Orrex 15 hrs ago #117

I told you: not playing your numbers games Hieronymus Phact 4 hrs ago #131

It's not a numbers game, and your question is piontless Orrex 12 min ago #149

That's a preposterous comparison. Beastly Boy 22 hrs ago #67

While our illustrious press is concerned about Biden, the international news JohnSJ Yesterday #27

That would be good news indeed if Netanyahu hadn't already said: AloeVera Yesterday #37

Releasing the hostages and/or their remains couldn't hurt. Frasier Balzov Yesterday #42

Right. But all along, that's been the claim. Orrex Yesterday #44

If shaming Israel's cruelty is Hamas's objective Frasier Balzov 23 hrs ago #50

That's a lot of words to say "Palestinian children deserve to die en masse" Orrex 23 hrs ago #54

Islam asks us. Frasier Balzov 23 hrs ago #57

All religious justifications are bullshit, no exceptions. Orrex 23 hrs ago #59

I wish they would. AloeVera Yesterday #45

What will stop this war . . . Richard D Yesterday #46

In other words, it will never stop. Or until Palestinians are caged up in a dark hell-hole in Libya. AloeVera 10 min ago #150

Call me suspicious, but methinks your quote is fake. Beastly Boy 22 hrs ago #72

No. There isn't. N/T AloeVera 20 hrs ago #92

Seriously? Beastly Boy 19 hrs ago #99

She's being quite transparent in defending HAMAs and vilifying Israel. MarineCombatEngineer 4 hrs ago #134

"Operation Gideon's Chariots" LudwigPastorius 23 hrs ago #53

Yes, indeed. Netanyahu doesn't have to "trust in God's power" because he has 1000 pound bombs and fighter jets. FadedMullet 21 hrs ago #75

With 2000 pound bombs, who even needs God anymore? AloeVera 21 hrs ago #77

The odd thing is that in the early Bible, the only people with chariots are the baddies muriel_volestrangler 20 hrs ago #87

I don't follow Israel/Palestinians/Arabs issues That closely but I have been off & on for decades. This comment from... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #65

That's not what he said. I noted it earlier. Beastly Boy 21 hrs ago #76

"Making sure this never happens again is THE goal." LudwigPastorius 15 hrs ago #119

You may be confusing cause and effect. Beastly Boy 4 hrs ago #135

The hostages and Oct 7 provided the pretext to achieve hidden goals. AloeVera 21 hrs ago #82

Yeah, blame the victims. Beastly Boy 20 hrs ago #86

Lol. I've been wondering the same about your side! AloeVera 20 hrs ago #91

Just to bring a glaring oxymoron in your statement to your attention: Beastly Boy 19 hrs ago #100

You misread or something. AloeVera 18 hrs ago #101

Or something. Beastly Boy 16 hrs ago #114

I faulted the hostages? AloeVera 16 hrs ago #116

Ummm... yeah! Beastly Boy 15 hrs ago #121

I'm sorry about your reading comprehension. AloeVera 14 hrs ago #122

I am almost tempted to apologize. Beastly Boy 14 hrs ago #124