Latest Breaking News

orangecrush

(27,141 posts) Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:45 PM Oct 2022

As missiles strike Ukraine, Israel won't sell its vaunted air defense [View all]

Source: Washington Post

EUROPE
As missiles strike Ukraine, Israel won’t sell its vaunted air defense

By Steve Hendrix
October 12, 2022 at 8:47 a.m. EDT

JERUSALEM — Moscow’s deadly air assault on Ukrainian cities has ramped up pressure on Western nations to rush air defense systems to the embattled country, but it is still unlikely to receive one of the world’s most effective tools against incoming projectiles.

Israel’s Defense and Foreign ministries and the prime minister’s office uniformly declined to comment Wednesday on long-standing requests from Ukraine and its supporters for it to give, sell or loan Ukraine the system, including calls made since Monday’s barrage.

“Israel has great experience with air defense and Iron Dome, and we need exactly the same system in our city,” Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko said in an interview Tuesday, a day after six residents were killed in the strikes. “We have been talking with them a long time about it. Those discussions have not been successful.”

Iron Dome uses radar-directed interceptors to blow hostile projectiles from the sky. Israel depends on it to shield civilians from rockets fired by militants in the Gaza Strip, with striking success. The system took down more than 97 percent of 470 rockets fired by Islamic Jihad forces in Gaza during a three-day escalation in August, according to the Israeli military.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/12/ukraine-russia-israel-iron-dome/

82 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

As missiles strike Ukraine, Israel won't sell its vaunted air defense [View all] orangecrush Oct 2022 OP

wth BootinUp Oct 2022 #1

The header said orangecrush Oct 2022 #2

There is a large population of Russian Jews in Israel. LudwigPastorius Oct 2022 #16

Then send them back to Russia so they can enlist. NM Grins Oct 2022 #82

I have said it 1000 times, Israel is not our friend. lark Oct 2022 #41

Countries are not friends with other countries. Dysfunctional Oct 2022 #48

It can also have pretend allies. lark Oct 2022 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2022 #67

WE give them a shit ton of money every year. lark Oct 2022 #73

They just sold an anti drone system to Ukraine via poland. Mosby Oct 2022 #76

c'est la vie democratic2021 Oct 2022 #72

Israel guards this tech zealously. maxsolomon Oct 2022 #3

Hezbollah is supplied missiles by Iran. former9thward Oct 2022 #24

Ah, but they are unguided missiles. Old tech. Cruise missiles and others used by the Russkies are... machoneman Oct 2022 #43

Sorry, didn't mean to undersell Hezbollah's threat maxsolomon Oct 2022 #47

History lesson (not excusing, but explaining). The Cossacks were one of the worst AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #4

And the 100,000+ Jews currently in Ukraine? iemanja Oct 2022 #7

Then Israel is being cowardly. As for the 100K Jews in Ukraine AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #14

I don't know if this actually happened but grandchildren paying for mistakes yaesu Oct 2022 #10

Some wounds don't die. Again, my wife blames Japan for what happened during WW2 AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #12

And Koreans still hate the Japanese. n/t GP6971 Oct 2022 #18

And everyone hates the British, right? OtterDave Oct 2022 #20

Not really. GP6971 Oct 2022 #21

Most nations have a beef with other nations OtterDave Oct 2022 #22

But not necessarily for racist reasons. GP6971 Oct 2022 #23

When your wife's great-grandmother is gang raped and left for dead in a muddy ditch AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #29

My friend's ancient mom came to visit from China. She kept pointing out places where Japanese were NBachers Oct 2022 #33

You're Not Wrong But;... ruet Oct 2022 #19

Just ask a random native American, like my former students in Arizona or my mother AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #28

Ukeaines's President is Jewish orangecrush Oct 2022 #37

Ah, yes. Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #77

Here are some important paragraphs from the article iemanja Oct 2022 #5

not excusing - but Israel is not the only entity stopdiggin Oct 2022 #6

+1 OneCrazyDiamond Oct 2022 #27

That's a fair point. Even the the US hasn't provided patriot systems XorXor Oct 2022 #71

They need Russia to prop up Assad Effete Snob Oct 2022 #8

Perhaps a temporary(?) diversion of military aid from Israel to Ukraine would help Orrex Oct 2022 #9

I always figured Israel got the nifty air defense from US so maybe its yaesu Oct 2022 #11

Nope. James48 Oct 2022 #15

We helped fund Iron Dome but did not build it womanofthehills Oct 2022 #56

Israel's Iron Dome would help, but it's not designed for James48 Oct 2022 #13

From the link... orangecrush Oct 2022 #38

Posts above start with "not defending but explaining." TomSlick Oct 2022 #17

home of the progrom? former9thward Oct 2022 #25

Literally 100 years ago StormKing Oct 2022 #26

Slavery was over 160 years ago. . .people still want reparations and deserve them. AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #30

Russia was in control of Ukraine 100 years ago. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #32

Putin is running a anti-Jewish genocide StormKing Oct 2022 #44

Imperial Russia is where pogroms began. At the time, Ukraine was under the control of Russia. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #31

"are you seriously blaming ..?" stopdiggin Oct 2022 #40

No one is disputing why Isreal is siding with Putin, they are criticizing the morality of it... SunSeeker Oct 2022 #46

actually I didn't make that claim at all stopdiggin Oct 2022 #50

The post you are defending did. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #57

I am defending no one else's words (or posts) stopdiggin Oct 2022 #59

What did you expect the starving peasants of Ukraine to do to stop Russia's pogroms? SunSeeker Oct 2022 #61

they weren't all peasants. stopdiggin Oct 2022 #63

What did you expect the lucky ones not literally starving to death to do to stop Stalin's pogroms? SunSeeker Oct 2022 #64

I meant that the word pogrom originated in Russia. TomSlick Oct 2022 #52

Israel is not siding with Russia. former9thward Oct 2022 #53

We should agree to disagree. TomSlick Oct 2022 #54

Every country should do all they can to help Ukraine! SheltieLover Oct 2022 #34

My thoughts are with the tinderbox that is the Middle East, this wouldn't be publicly JohnSJ Oct 2022 #35

C'mon on now. You know why this article was written. Behind the Aegis Oct 2022 #36

I don't know why orangecrush Oct 2022 #39

I speak for myself, but there is and has been a pattern to use Israel and Jews as a scape goat. JohnSJ Oct 2022 #42

I don't think the Israel steps quite so nimbly stopdiggin Oct 2022 #62

Ok. Most important thing from my perspective is that we keep NATO together on this, and I suspect JohnSJ Oct 2022 #65

I understand completely orangecrush Oct 2022 #70

Currently, the repubs have turned on the Jews MOMFUDSKI Oct 2022 #45

calculations Slammer Oct 2022 #49

I'm not sure I understand that. Disaffected Oct 2022 #51

With up to 400,000 Jewish residents, Ukraine is home to the world's fifth-largest Jewish community. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #60

Israel gets free rein by Russia to attack Iranian attempts to move heavy weapons to the... EX500rider Oct 2022 #55

How can Russia stop Israel from attacking Iran's heavy weapons at the Syrian/Israeli border? SunSeeker Oct 2022 #58

Russia still has bases in Syria with long range air defenses. EX500rider Oct 2022 #74

Do you think Russia would shoot missiles into Israel and start another war? SunSeeker Oct 2022 #78

No, the missiles would be fired at Israeli warplanes in Syrian airspace attacking Iranian targets EX500rider Oct 2022 #80

Russians shooting down Israeli planes is not starting a war? SunSeeker Oct 2022 #81

I thought the missile defense system came from the USA? BigDemVoter Oct 2022 #68

US system was the Patriot, Iron Dome is an Israeli invention (from 2011). Angleae Oct 2022 #69

But US gave Israel hundreds of millions of dollars to help develop it. nt SunSeeker Oct 2022 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #75