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Moonwalk

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12. Does it have to be the end of the world to be a bad thing?
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

It won't be the end of the world. But it will be the end of the UK. They'll lose Scotland and Ireland, and the England that is left will be in a much diminished position in trade, etc. End of the world? Of course not. Bad for the youth of England. Yes. Does it have to be more than that--does it have to be the end of the world, to say that this would probably damage the future of England as a country?

As for "the vote is the vote." This wasn't like a U.S. state voted for a proposition and now it's law, end of story. As said, this was a non-binding vote, which leaves it up to parliament in the end. Parliament is made up of those voted in by the people to represent them. And, presumably, those who know a bit more about the consequences of this vote and what would be best for the country in the long run, rather than what they think might be best for them personally in the short term.

If the percentage of those who want to stay appear to have shifted (that is, representatives in parliament are getting messages to that effect), because some who voted to leave realize that they cast their votes based on lies (like money going to national heath rather than the EU), then if the representatives do what they think these people NOW want, and what they also think is good for the country in the long term...how is that not democratic? In other words, the vote was the vote...but it wasn't the VOTE. More people are going to have their say, more people are having their say.

It all depends on who ends up being prime minister, of course. As you say, we'll see what happens.

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Best 2 out of 3? Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #1
Since Brexit was a legally non-binding referendum... yallerdawg Jul 2016 #4
Don't the MPs have to vote them out? Not the electorate? MADem Jul 2016 #41
They voted "in" in 1975, "out" last month, Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #8
As yallerdawg and others have pointed out this vote was purely advisory and the government cstanleytech Jul 2016 #39
I still say the Leave will never actually happen bluestateguy Jul 2016 #2
I'm with you on that, but there will have a be a huuuge amount of verbal gymnastics to go through ! OnDoutside Jul 2016 #3
I tend to agree, but this all reminds me of a bizarre short story I had to read in university Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #21
The vote is the vote. Deal with it. Everyone had their say. 7962 Jul 2016 #5
'it didn't end before there was an EU' LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #10
All politicians lie all the time. christx30 Jul 2016 #11
Not a single politician, anywhere, ever, not even one word of truth? al bupp Jul 2016 #20
If one of them told me the sky was blue, christx30 Jul 2016 #22
I get it, you're firmly underwhelmed by politicians al bupp Jul 2016 #23
Yep--the EU has been great for European cooperation and unity, to say nothing of opportunities MADem Jul 2016 #42
Does it have to be the end of the world to be a bad thing? Moonwalk Jul 2016 #12
I have my doubts about Scotland leaving. Oil prices being what they are especially. 7962 Jul 2016 #13
No. Denmark is firmly in the EU for any foreseeable future. Jemmons Jul 2016 #17
You are probably right about Denmark and the EU but the far-right party wants a "Dexit" referendum. pampango Jul 2016 #24
The Danish Peoples Party is not far right in a traditional sense Jemmons Jul 2016 #36
Agreed. Conservatives won democratically. Liberals lost democratically. Liberals need to move on. pampango Jul 2016 #14
Yeah, man up and shut up!! Helen Borg Jul 2016 #16
Well, there WILL be other elections. 7962 Jul 2016 #19
The GBP is at 31 year low and analysist think it will continue to drop RAFisher Jul 2016 #18
Oh, please. Hissyspit Jul 2016 #31
"And the markets have already gained back most of the "sky is falling" losses as well." Chakab Jul 2016 #34
Anti-Democracy agitators. WinkyDink Jul 2016 #6
Did you think the same of people who protested against Bush's policies? LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #28
Or what about civil rights protests? NYC Liberal Jul 2016 #35
You're not serious? Liberals demonstrating in the streets are "anti-democratic agitators"? pampango Jul 2016 #29
You are being facetious, right? Hissyspit Jul 2016 #32
Protest is undemocratic ? n/t TubbersUK Jul 2016 #44
BBC: Marchers chanting "Fromage not Farage" and waving baguettes were among the crowds pampango Jul 2016 #7
Young people thought they could grow up with the right to live and work in 28 different countries. Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #9
Pity they didn't bother to vote FLPanhandle Jul 2016 #25
I doubt the EU is going to shut the door on all Brits NobodyHere Jul 2016 #37
Perhaps not but how many Europeans the UK shuts the door on may play into the decision. pampango Jul 2016 #40
They might charge them for visas, though, and fine them if they overstay.... MADem Jul 2016 #43
"We must not let rightwing, narrow-minded nationalism nor xenophobia define us. We are better than pampango Jul 2016 #15
They protest, but didn't vote FLPanhandle Jul 2016 #26
What makes you think that? LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #27
I feel sorry for the liberals and the young, in particular, and don't blame them for protesting pampango Jul 2016 #33
Hah! You used the word "think" in a question to a poster who doesn't know anything ... Nihil Jul 2016 #46
Didn't vote ? n/t TubbersUK Jul 2016 #45
Brexit Vote Was Non-Binding... TomCADem Jul 2016 #30
Your suggestion that the UK can cherrypick which rules to follow and which to ignore is just Jemmons Jul 2016 #38
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