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politicat

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35. Technically, a personality disorder is considered an illness,
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 04:24 AM
Jan 2017

The same way that we treat an inborn metabolic disorder as an illness. Yes, that's normal for that person, but their normal is not population normal. A personality disorder is a fundamental flaw in that specific person's operating system, and it can't be fixed or modulated.

I am not making a distance diagnosis. The publicly observed behavior is consistent with the behaviors common to the Cluster B personality disorders. There is no known treatment or therapy for such disorders. Nor does a personality disorder in any way excuse a person from culpability for antisocial behavior. Persons in Cluster B are legally sane per the M'Naghten rule and its descendant variations. It's not a pass; persons in Cluster B are perfectly capable of living highly transactional but otherwise functional pro-social lives. When they don't do so, it is by choice.

The only reason to correlate the observed behavior to a known diagnostic code is to facilitate how we react to his/their behavior. There are interpersonal and social techniques that absolutely do not work with Cluster B people. They can't be reasoned with, their shame mechanisms are wildly miscalibrated, they don't fully consider us real, so cannot see why we object to dishonesty or manipulation. There are other techniques that are highly effective when dealing with B people, and fail utterly with everyone else. They're suckers for flattery, the more blatant, the better. They're often con-artists, but they're highly susceptible to getting conned themselves. They're walking Dunning-Krueger examples.

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Yes, there is: The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #1
Pence has to agree to it! icymist Jan 2017 #5
Yes, but he'd get to be president (which would suck for us, but probably no more than Trump). The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #8
We'll see what happens. icymist Jan 2017 #19
Pence is playing the game. politicat Jan 2017 #34
I doubt Pence would do it before 1/21/2019 jmowreader Jan 2017 #43
section 4 of the 25th amendment Takket Jan 2017 #2
Constition Glamrock Jan 2017 #3
25th amendment Initech Jan 2017 #4
Sorry I didn't see your post Initech. I double posted the same info. bench scientist Jan 2017 #11
Cakewalk..... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #31
Article 4 winetourdriver01 Jan 2017 #6
He would be replaced by another. dogman Jan 2017 #7
Rethugs have their man..they are having a feeding frenzy - and this - asiliveandbreathe Jan 2017 #9
The 25th Amendment to US Constitution allows for for removal due to incapacity. bench scientist Jan 2017 #10
IF? n/t Rosco T. Jan 2017 #12
you need more proof? spanone Jan 2017 #13
Facepalm..... LisiFFXV Jan 2017 #14
That's why I posted "I know some will claim 'what makes you think he isn't... Henry Krinkle Jan 2017 #21
Great handle, just don't apply for Secret Service work! VOX Jan 2017 #24
"I think I'd be very good at it". Henry Krinkle Jan 2017 #25
So Adolf Hitler was a shining example of mental health? VOX Jan 2017 #22
Yes, he was perfectly mentally healthy LisiFFXV Jan 2017 #30
HOW do you know Rump is not mentally unstable. Have you examined him? Are you a medical Dr ??? trueblue2007 Jan 2017 #33
What does being a new member have to do with anything? EL34x4 Jan 2017 #36
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #37
DONT YOU DARE CALL ME A DANGEROUS PERSON. I am intelligent, thoughtful and I am a loyal Dem trueblue2007 Jan 2017 #40
Even if he is mentally ill, I will never acknowledge it LisiFFXV Jan 2017 #46
Technically, a personality disorder is considered an illness, politicat Jan 2017 #35
I think you can be both. I think he is and always was a horrible person. smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #42
They would bring Alternative Medicine to bear to prove he was as right as rain. Thor_MN Jan 2017 #15
Ok, thanks all. That answers that question. Henry Krinkle Jan 2017 #16
As long as the 'CONs have control of the house and senate madokie Jan 2017 #17
Never happen. The Reich Wing won't let a doctor get within 100 miles of him. kairos12 Jan 2017 #18
It depends on how well they could hid it Revanchist Jan 2017 #20
Who knows if he was ever competent, ever, while he was there? Judi Lynn Jan 2017 #38
What if? randr Jan 2017 #23
Ronald Reagan was suffering from Alzheimers. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #26
And who/what might be making this examination happen? Wishful thoughts? Stinky The Clown Jan 2017 #27
+1 onenote Jan 2017 #39
Unless they carry him out in straight-jacket we are stuck with him for at least 4 years nt doc03 Jan 2017 #28
They'll find Trump, gibbering on the White House lawn TNLib Jan 2017 #29
Its been discussed a number of times that yes, there is a procedure however the Republicans will not cstanleytech Jan 2017 #32
25-4 his ass. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #41
It wouldn't be unprecedented MountCleaners Jan 2017 #44
He'll be around a while. The House will not impeach him, and his cabinet will not stand up to him dalton99a Jan 2017 #45
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