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LawDeeDah

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Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:57 AM Dec 2014

Where is Hillary on Torture? msnbc [View all]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/where-hillary-clinton-torture

Where is Hillary on Torture?

In an editorial board meeting, she added that there “are very rare” circumstances when an exception to the no torturing rule would be needed, and “if they occur, there has to be some lawful authority for pursuing it.”

Obama attacked her on the issue in a late January 2008 speech in Denver, suggesting her position on torture even put her to the right of the then-presumed GOP nominee John McCain, who opposed the harsh tactics after being tortured in Vietnam.

But by then, Clinton had changed her position. When asked about a ticking time bomb scenario during a debate in September 2007, she categorically ruled out the use of torture. “It cannot be American policy, period,” she said.

That held as her policy, despite the fact that it initially put her in disagreement with her husband, who often cited the TV show “24” as an example of why torture is sometimes necessary.


Fact Sheet: Extraordinary Rendition
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/fact-sheet-extraordinary-rendition

December 6, 2005

Beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to this day, the Central Intelligence Agency, together with other U.S. government agencies, has utilized an intelligence-gathering program involving the transfer of foreign nationals suspected of involvement in terrorism to detention and interrogation in countries where -- in the CIA's view -- federal and international legal safeguards do not apply. Suspects are detained and interrogated either by U.S. personnel at U.S.-run detention facilities outside U.S. sovereign territory or, alternatively, are handed over to the custody of foreign agents for interrogation. In both instances, interrogation methods are employed that do not comport with federal and internationally recognized standards. This program is commonly known as "extraordinary rendition."

The current policy traces its roots to the administration of former President Bill Clinton. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, however, what had been a limited program expanded dramatically, with some experts estimating that 150 foreign nationals have been victims of rendition in the last few years alone. Foreign nationals suspected of terrorism have been transported to detention and interrogation facilities in Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Diego Garcia, Afghanistan, Guantánamo, and elsewhere. In the words of former CIA agent Robert Baer: "If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear -- never to see them again -- you send them to Egypt."
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Looks like you have your answer. “It cannot be American policy, period,” she said. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #1
Waffle Waffle Waffle LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #3
Waffle Waffle Waffle, Read Read Read Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #8
Is Bill running for President? William769 Dec 2014 #23
People refer to the Clinton years as a great economy time LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #25
Unfortunately, you did still not answer the question. William769 Dec 2014 #26
and as Obama said in 2008 in a debate: LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #28
Apparently his resume is ... AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #27
Thank you I like Hillary much better now. Kalidurga Dec 2014 #35
EXACTLY!!! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #29
'who often cited the TV show “24” as an example of why torture is sometimes necessary.' PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #2
Can always trust a President that takes his cues from the TV. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #4
I believe she said she was against it. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #5
It seems she was against it after she was for it. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #6
She is against it and that is what matters. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #7
Sometimes the stretch of the truth still does not change the facts, cognitive dissonance Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #9
Well some just don't like her and there is no changing that. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #12
I gotcha ya. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #14
It also matters why she changed her mind. Matters very much. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #10
Hillary is a great Democrat and I will be proud to vote for her in the primary and general. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #11
Perhaps since you have brought up changing one's mind, this would be the Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #13
Hillary's statements can't always be trusted to be true to heart. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #16
Hillary did not live most of her life as a Republican, voting for Reagan who thought Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #20
but she did vote for the Chimperor's war LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #22
I have heard that arguement before. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #17
**cough** bullshit **cough** VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #30
Bill Clinton tortured before his adopted brother George tortured. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #15
Seems her answer is pretty clear. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #18
Where's Elizabeth Warren, the woman who can do nothing wrong, on this issue? joeybee12 Dec 2014 #19
Here is a twitter from Warren: LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #21
Wow...a tweet...and a hard-hitting one... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #32
Hillary must be too busy counting Goldman Sachs money to bother with a tweet. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #33
You've been shitting on Warren all day Union Scribe Dec 2014 #24
Two posts is hardly all day... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #31
yep, me too. Oh, you mean Warren! LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #34
Where is Obama on torture? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #36
Executive Order 13491 -- Ensuring Lawful Interrogations LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #37
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