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Celerity

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11. No it is not, that's a false claim. The Totenkopf was used in the German military almost 200 years before the Nazis.
Sun May 31, 2026, 07:44 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf

German military

Prussia


Hussar from Husaren-Regiment Nr. 5 (von Ruesch) in 1744 with the Totenkopf on the mirliton (Ger. Flügelmütze)

Use of the Totenkopf in Germany as a military emblem began under Frederick the Great, who formed a regiment of Hussar cavalry in the Prussian army commanded by Colonel von Ruesch, the Husaren-Regiment Nr. 5 (von Ruesch). It adopted a black uniform with a Totenkopf emblazoned on the front of its mirlitons and wore it on the field in the War of Austrian Succession and in the Seven Years' War.[6] The Totenkopf remained a part of the uniform when the regiment was reformed into Leib-Husaren Regiments Nr.1 and Nr.2 in 1808. The symbol was then granted 3 years later to the Spanish Army’s 8th Light Cavalry Regiment “Lusitania”, who were nicknamed “Los Dragones de la Muerte” (the Dragons of Death) and were granted use of the skull after the infamous Battle of Madonna dell'Olmo in 1744, where they suffered great casualties.


Totenkopf badge worn by the Brunswick Leibbataillon ( "Life-Guard Battalion" ) at the Battle of Waterloo in 1815

Brunswick

In 1809, during the War of the Fifth Coalition, Frederick William, Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel raised a force of volunteers to fight Napoleon Bonaparte, who had conquered the Duke's lands. The Brunswick Corps was provided with black uniforms, giving rise to their nickname, the Black Brunswickers. Both hussar cavalry and infantry in the force wore a Totenkopf badge, either in mourning for the duke's father, Charles William Ferdinand, Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, who had been killed at the Battle of Jena–Auerstedt in 1806, or according to some sources, as a sign of revenge against the French. After fighting their way through Germany, the Black Brunswickers entered British service and fought with them in the Peninsular War and at the Battle of Waterloo. The Brunswick corps was eventually incorporated into the Prussian Army in 1866.


German Empire era Totenkopf

German Empire

The skull continued to be used by the Prussian and Brunswick armed forces until 1918, and some of the stormtroopers that led the last German offensives on the Western Front in 1918 used skull badges. Luftstreitkräfte fighter pilots Georg von Hantelmann and Kurt Adolf Monnington are just two of a number of Central Powers military pilots who used the Totenkopf as their personal aircraft insignia.

Weimar Republic

The Totenkopf was used in Germany throughout the interwar period, most prominently by the Freikorps. In 1933, it was in use by the regimental staff and the 1st, 5th, and 11th squadrons of the Reichswehr's 5th Cavalry Regiment as a continuation of a tradition from the Kaiserreich.

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"So you take on symbols as a form of emotional armor" WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #1
That's the point of the OP, those symbols aren't exclusive to the NAZIS Uncle Joe Sunday #2
The totenkopf is. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #3
That's just a German word for skull and bones. Uncle Joe Sunday #4
It means 'death's head'. nt Celerity Sunday #12
No it is not, that's a false claim. The Totenkopf was used in the German military almost 200 years before the Nazis. Celerity Sunday #11
Eh, I got sloppy. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #14
Non sequitur. My rebuttal was addressing your claim that the Totenkopf symbol was exclusive to the Nazis. Celerity Sunday #15
As one who leans toward facts, logic and reason, Abolishinist Sunday #20
ty Celerity Sunday #22
This ought to be it's own post luv2fly Sunday #23
Factually correct sarisataka Sunday #25
Don't forget canetoad Sunday #21
Lovely... justifying NAZI tattoos WarGamer Sunday #5
We're talking about skull and bones which is universal. n/t Uncle Joe Sunday #6
taht's not the tattoo in question re: the candidate WarGamer Sunday #7
Skull and crossbones is what we're talking about. Uncle Joe Sunday #9
Not that skull and crossbones. That one is very specific to the Nazis. Iggo Yesterday #27
I hope we see the same effort sarisataka Sunday #8
We will see a blue tsunami so Uncle Joe Sunday #10
It takes more to win an election sarisataka Sunday #16
That's true but you can't ignore a dysfunctional system that profits Uncle Joe Sunday #17
My wife is diabetic sarisataka Sunday #18
Well with her stock holdings, the more you pay, the more money Collins makes, Uncle Joe Sunday #19
You can have a skull tattoo Boo1 Sunday #13
Where's your paragraph on nazi use? stumpysbear Sunday #24
Okay. Now do the swastika. jmbar2 Sunday #26
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