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Igel

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13. Perhaps learning to read English.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 11:15 AM
Feb 2026

I've always liked garden-path sentenced.

The horse raced around the barn fell down.

Or multiple subordinated clauses: The dog the kid the mother saw fed barked. (Lots don't like that kind of subordination--they can handle 1 layer, "The dog the kid fed barked" but lose the thread with the 2nd level.)

Once was reading something in German and I just couldn't get a sentence to cohere. Took it to a native speaker. She read it. Read the paragraph it was in. Read the sentence again. Read the sentence again. Out loud. Then again, with different pauses. Finally got it to click. It was the three verbs at the end and unpacking the structure(s) embedded before them that threw her/me/us. Formal, academic German.

(Russian can pull off some doozies, either because of the syntax that's there or the widespread variety of elliptical devices and zero-copula. English-learners also don't like things like pseudogapping, esp. if their verbal morphology involves suffixes: "They have been eating the apples more than they have the oranges" (ex. from Wiki). Last thing I read about ellipsis was Marjorie McShane's diss, but that's been more than 20 years ago.)

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;-{)....... Goonch Feb 2026 #1
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Hehehehe malaise Feb 2026 #4
Nicely played malaise Feb 2026 #3
"Buffalo" is the name of a ruminant mammal and a city in NY state. It can also mean "to bully, obstruct". eppur_se_muova Feb 2026 #5
ROFL malaise Feb 2026 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Feb 2026 #7
Some punctuation might help. :-) TheRickles Feb 2026 #8
Ain't that the truth. n/t malthaussen Feb 2026 #11
That's the sentence I'd like to drag my seventh-grade teacher to and say... malthaussen Feb 2026 #9
I have coarse and fine sea salt. After skipping on the coarse I thought to myself "fine is fine". twodogsbarking Feb 2026 #10
LOL malaise Feb 2026 #14
Ah but goose has yet another meaning. If you get goosed more than once is it geesed? twodogsbarking Feb 2026 #17
Love it malaise Feb 2026 #18
Do you really want to know? Chellee Feb 2026 #29
I always want to learn something malaise Feb 2026 #31
You're welcome Chellee Feb 2026 #37
That letter is silent until I sez it aint! paleotn Feb 2026 #12
French is the worst.. Permanut Feb 2026 #28
Perhaps learning to read English. Igel Feb 2026 #13
Spelled "ghoti" sounds exactly like "fish." Kid Berwyn Feb 2026 #15
Haha malaise Feb 2026 #16
When I was living in Catalunya, it was a requirement to learn the one about the setze jutges (sixteen judges) DFW Feb 2026 #19
Haha malaise Feb 2026 #20
When my daughters were very little I taught them the first part of that DFW Feb 2026 #21
Clearly not wimps malaise Feb 2026 #22
Here is the ultimate test of all time (you have to click on "watch on youtube" ) DFW Feb 2026 #23
LOL malaise Feb 2026 #24
5.8 million views DFW Feb 2026 #25
Well I know every word for this one malaise Feb 2026 #26
These words were part of one of the very very early I Love Lucy episodes sdfernando Feb 2026 #27
Fascinating malaise Feb 2026 #30
Interesting video! If you'd like to know how English ended up with those spellings/pronunciations, I posted highplainsdem Feb 2026 #32
Thanks malaise Feb 2026 #33
You're welcome! I love the OED. Have the compact edition I bought about highplainsdem Feb 2026 #34
Have mine right here malaise Feb 2026 #35
Great! highplainsdem Feb 2026 #36
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