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In reply to the discussion: Trump sharing allies' intel with the Russians. [View all]rog
(895 posts)9. The actual article is paywalled - here is a link.
The article is also in Dutch. My browser (Firefox on Linux) auto-translated to English. It's a long article -- here is an excerpt (in English) that pertains to US-Dutch relations. It's a bit fractured because it's computer translation, but you get the idea.
Edited to add that the entire interview is very interesting and very in depth.
https://archive.is/20251020141916/https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/nederlandse-diensten-delen-minder-informatie-met-de-vs-soms-vertellen-we-dingen-niet-meer~b4882f19/
As this comes to Europe, the US is rapidly moving towards an autocracy. US President Donald Trump is deploying the military against his own people. Judges' rulings are ignored. The head of wiretapping service NSA was fired for not being loyal enough.
Reesink: To great sorrow on our side. We knew the man well.
Is it still justified to continue the intensive sharing of intelligence with the US on the same footing?
Reesink: We visited the CIA and NSA a few months ago. Also with my own wonder: how is it going in the workplace? I am positively reassured there again. The tires are good and will stay good. This is without prejudice to us regularly weighing this cooperation.
What is the conclusion when it comes to, for example, sharing intelligence about Russia, of which it is not certain what the US will do with it?
Reesink: Thats being weighed.
Are you more reluctant to share certain information?
Reesink: I cant go into what that relationship is like now compared to this. But that we make that trade-off and sometimes dont tell things anymore, thats true.
That's a striking breakup. What has been the most important change?
Akerboom: We do not judge what we see politically, but we look at our experiences with the services. And we are very keen on politicizing our intelligence and on violating human rights.
What does it mean for practice if there are risks in these areas?
Akerboom: Sometimes you have to start thinking about case by case: can I still share this information or not?
Reesink: To great sorrow on our side. We knew the man well.
Is it still justified to continue the intensive sharing of intelligence with the US on the same footing?
Reesink: We visited the CIA and NSA a few months ago. Also with my own wonder: how is it going in the workplace? I am positively reassured there again. The tires are good and will stay good. This is without prejudice to us regularly weighing this cooperation.
What is the conclusion when it comes to, for example, sharing intelligence about Russia, of which it is not certain what the US will do with it?
Reesink: Thats being weighed.
Are you more reluctant to share certain information?
Reesink: I cant go into what that relationship is like now compared to this. But that we make that trade-off and sometimes dont tell things anymore, thats true.
That's a striking breakup. What has been the most important change?
Akerboom: We do not judge what we see politically, but we look at our experiences with the services. And we are very keen on politicizing our intelligence and on violating human rights.
What does it mean for practice if there are risks in these areas?
Akerboom: Sometimes you have to start thinking about case by case: can I still share this information or not?
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It doesn't surprise me. What I am disappointed in is the total republican congress not doing anything about it.
OLDMDDEM
Monday
#2
Will it hurt them? Unfortunately, these people are so ingrained into the cult that they don't think anything of it.
Escurumbele
Monday
#37
Zero. Not at all. News of massive data flow between Sverbank and Trump campaign HQ came out before 2016 election
lostnfound
Monday
#3
Has anything more been made public about the tRump server communicating with Russia?
groundloop
Monday
#27
Very good list. I would change #17 to "Lacks a sense of consequences". I don't think their concept of consequences
Escurumbele
Monday
#41
I would be surprised that any ally's sharing of intel with us continued after Nov of 2024.
Scalded Nun
Monday
#8
He probably has her do the actual work, since he's too lazy & stupid to do it himself
FoxNewsSucks
Monday
#21
I understood that our NATO allies knew that. I'd heard they weren't sharing everything with us because they
liberalla
Monday
#13
Our worst fears realized. The United States, under Republicans, has become a Russian dominion.
ffr
Monday
#24
Traitor Trump. Traitor Johnson. Traitor Gabbard. Lots of Russian assets in the Trump administration.
SunSeeker
Monday
#47
These concerns are nothing new. I'm sure Allied intel services have been aware of Trump's Russia ties since the 80's.
ChicagoTeamster
Monday
#50