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In reply to the discussion: Latina woman presenting passport still detained, told she doesn't look like a 'Greely" [View all]bigtree
(94,378 posts)11. let's put this another way
..is this something that you would tolerate for the entirety of your life?
Someone else can argue the law with you, but I want to know what the actual harm is here. It appears ICE was the only one with bruised feelings about this because they couldn't hold and deport him.
There doesn't appear to be any threat or even reasonable suspicion that this person did anything wrong outside of this 'mass deportation' regime where every brown person is required to prove they're not eligible for them to snatch off of the street, detain, abuse in jail, and deport.
Ticketing a lawful permanent resident and forcing him to appear in court and pay a fine for not carrying their papers is unnecessary and cruel, said Ed Yohnka, communications director for the ACLU of Illinois. It does not make our communities stronger or more safe. It is simply part of the Trump administrations attempt to make life uncomfortable for all immigrants. It is just awful.
A former dishwasher, Cruz lives in a government-funded apartment but isnt working due to his health. Cruz said he was relieved to be released but worries how he will pay the fine. The ICE agents told Cruz he has to pay it within 60 days or go to court.
Its not fair because I said, lets go to my house and Ill show you my papers. Im a resident, Cruz said.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/10/13/ice-fines-chicago-man-for-not-having-papers-on-him/
A former dishwasher, Cruz lives in a government-funded apartment but isnt working due to his health. Cruz said he was relieved to be released but worries how he will pay the fine. The ICE agents told Cruz he has to pay it within 60 days or go to court.
Its not fair because I said, lets go to my house and Ill show you my papers. Im a resident, Cruz said.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/10/13/ice-fines-chicago-man-for-not-having-papers-on-him/
...the answer is, yes, he is required to carry his green card, but this is rarely enforced, outside of other crimes associated with the stop.
Besides, the things are so fucking easy to lose that MANY people have just left them home in a safe place like you'd do your ss card.
I'd argue that it's not only a no-consequence crime to anyone other than this politicized regime of cruelty and punishment against people just trying to live their lives, but no American has to go through this.
This is a computerized age where almost nothing is dependent on paper. In my reasonably long life I've been driving and pulled over without having my license with me and have never gotten a ticket. It's absurd to think I would in this century. I gave one cop my license number from memory.
This is punitive without a damn reason other than republicans wanting to push Latin Americans and Mexican Americans around.
I know out of my reasonably long life experience that white people aren't made to endure this indignity, and that's an abomination against people of color.
The penalties should only be imposed for actual crime committed, not for walking down the fucking street, and EVERY cop, and every court has the power to make that judgment.
But not fucking ICE. They get to lord their white supremacy over people like they own them. It's no wonder why they're beside themselves with fear of the people of color they're treating like 'enemies within.'
Let's not just ignore the anti-American context behind all of this heightened enforcement. Who's next on their list of people that need to carry papers?
Oct 14, 2025 The MeidasTouch Podcast
MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas and Ken Klippenstein expose the secret watchlist being compiled by the Trump administration of American citizens in a secretive watchlist center in Virginia and Klippenstein shares his original reporting on this critical subject that is not getting the attention is deserves.
watch:
Trumps NSPM-7 Labels Common Beliefs As Terrorism Indicators
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Ken Klippenstein, Sep 27, 2025
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trumps-nspm-7-labels-common-beliefs
MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas and Ken Klippenstein expose the secret watchlist being compiled by the Trump administration of American citizens in a secretive watchlist center in Virginia and Klippenstein shares his original reporting on this critical subject that is not getting the attention is deserves.
watch:
Trumps NSPM-7 Labels Common Beliefs As Terrorism Indicators
New directive targets anti-Christian, anti-American, and anti-capitalism opinions
Ken Klippenstein, Sep 27, 2025
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trumps-nspm-7-labels-common-beliefs
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Latina woman presenting passport still detained, told she doesn't look like a 'Greely" [View all]
bigtree
Oct 2025
OP
From Kavanaugh's opinion: "To be clear, apparent ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable suspicion..."
sop
Oct 2025
#5
Kav forgot to say Wink wink, nudge nudge. We see how it plays out in reality, as a naziesque papers please policy
Blues Heron
Oct 2025
#7
Kavanaugh's entire opinion is full of exceptions to the rule that ethnicity alone cannot be used as reasonable suspicion
sop
Oct 2025
#8
How is that protecting the country from someone who has committed violent crimes???????
tanyev
Oct 2025
#6