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AloeVera

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41. If you accept the strategic provocation, which is pretty clear, then there is an element of LIHOP in that...
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 05:00 PM
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You provoke your enemy and accept that its response will be harmful to you.

But I think both Israel and Hamas miscalculated.

Hamas was prepared for a limited excursion into Israel, around the border military posts where it had planned to take hostages. It expected a full-spectrum defense by the IDF and hard-to-penetrate border defenses so it was to be a quick in-and-out operation.

Instead, it was able to breach the border easily and inexplicably and the IDF and other security apparatus collapsed unexpectedly. It encountered no meaningful resistance until well into the afternoon, enabling its members as well as civilians to attack unplanned targets. It claims not to have even known about the festival.

Hamas got caught in something they had not planned for, including some of their own criminal civilians going on a rampage.

There is just too much here to ignore. Putting it down to Hamas being suicidal is burying your head in the sand. It's reasonable to question how this all came about. There should be a fully independent commission of enquiry, but Netanyahu has blocked that.

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