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Ms. Toad

(37,856 posts)
40. I was 31 when I first refused medical intervention.
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 02:30 PM
Tuesday

It has not been the only time when I have either refused medical intervention - or demanded it.

I was hospitalized and on heparin (a blood thinner). The doctors were having trouble regulating it - and my PT/INR (a measure of how long it takes for blood to clot) was frequently in the range that posed a high risk for a spontaneous bleed. The doctors repeatedly shut off the IV heparin drip for the period of time they calculated would drop the levels into the therapeutic range. They repeatedly restarted the IV heparin drip without testing the PT/INR - then tested it after an hour. It was always in the range that posed a high risk for a spontaneous bleed, so they disconnected me again. After the second round, I suggested that it had never dropped into the therapeutic range, so by hooking the IV up without testing my PT/INR they were making the problem worse. They ridiculed my suggestion and refused to test. After the third round, I refused to allow them to restart the IV until they could prove it was safe. They reluctantly tested - and - of course - I was right. Punch line to that story is that my primary care doc (back in that era they actually made rounds) yelled at me the next day for being mean to the hospital docs.

Since then, I have fired at least two doctors and one entire team, refused care (repeatedly) from my primary care doc - again being proven confirmatory testing that his concerns were vastly exaggerated, refused care from specialists at least twice, and demanded treatment/tests (sometimes very specific) at least a half dozen times.

I am not an easy patient for any doctor who lacks confidence in themselves - or sees patients as incapable of medical reasoning.

I also have a number of really fantastic doctors whose care I trust implictly (four I can count without any thought). They welcome an involved patient.

But I never go into a non-emergent medical situation without doing my own literature review, so that I am prepared for whatever questions or comments the doctor might make, so that we can have a meaningful conversation on the spot without the need for me to research after the fact then wrestle with whether any concerns that research raises are serious enough to make another appointment. When a doctor occasionally comes up with something I don't expect - it is often a good sign that s/he is one of those really fantastic doctors I value so much - it is inevitably either newer research, or a nuance that was not apparent from publicly available literature.

That approach has saved my life and my daughter's life.

In contrast - the "doctor is god" mentality cost my father-in-law his life, and has almost certainly shortened my brother-in-law's. My father-in-law actually went to a doctor because of blood in his urine (uncommon in a family where males just tough it out). The doctor assured him it was nothing, so he trusted him and didn't return until a year or two later when his urine was always bright red blood. He was diagnosed with stage IV bladder cancer, and died a few months later. My brother-in-law has an aggressive rare type of melanoma. He was on Keytruda after a recurrence, and went to the ER for an unrelated matter. "They administered steroids - which interfered with the Keytruda, and the tumor did not shrink nearly as much as early indications had suggested it would. Even though he had been warned about taking steroids, he had not informed the ER team he was on Keytruda, because "they have all of my records, so they know," and he assumed (without asking) that they had evaluated the situation and determined the risk was warranted.

Be your own advocate. If you find a doctor you can trust implicitly - keep them at all costs. If your doctor treats your concerns as annoying (or threatening to their ego) - drop them as fast as you can.

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I applaud your resolve and common sense. no_hypocrisy Tuesday #1
a good lesson Skittles Tuesday #2
excellent advice.... markie Tuesday #3
I had something similar LittleGirl Tuesday #55
good luck with your surgery markie Tuesday #56
One surgeon said I need a new shoulder LittleGirl Tuesday #60
Good for you! mgardener Tuesday #4
Underscores the value of a second opinion (and where possible, a close friend, colleague or hlthe2b Tuesday #5
You know, it's funny... PCIntern Tuesday #8
And a lot of times just being able to ask questions. I've found a bit of research ahead of time helps. erronis Tuesday #20
Sure. As long as it is clear you aren't using "untrained so-called medical influencers" or "Dr. Google's worst sources" hlthe2b Tuesday #22
So, you didn't have to call your local funeral home...... Butterflylady Tuesday #6
Very good story. Thanks for sharing. Easterncedar Tuesday #7
The importance of THREE MissKat Tuesday #9
Terrific advice. PCIntern Tuesday #10
Glad your intuition was on target! Fla Dem Tuesday #11
Reading your experience with the electrophysiologist makes me thank my lucky stars TexLaProgressive Tuesday #12
I agree totally. OldBaldy1701E Tuesday #13
Interesting. I have been pushed to see an electrophysiologist - much more frequently recently. erronis Tuesday #14
Have you been on anticoagulants all this time? PCIntern Tuesday #15
Yup - first coumadin and now eliquis. You mention the Watchman - erronis Tuesday #21
I just BeerBarrelPolka Tuesday #46
Good for you! And I really hope it solves those issues. erronis Tuesday #49
Thank you BeerBarrelPolka Tuesday #52
erron popsdenver Tuesday #35
Your points are well understood. As almost anything in this society, money/profit will rot it out. erronis Tuesday #50
Thank you so much for telling us your story, Ilsa Tuesday #16
They all own stock in the company that makes the pacemaker. milestogo Tuesday #17
It sounds like my TIA story nuxvomica Tuesday #18
Have you considered otchmoson Tuesday #19
Can't get involved with that stuff, PCIntern Tuesday #30
I understand otchmoson Tuesday #36
My brother had a health scare and was stunned watching the vultures gather malaise Tuesday #23
Surgeons want to cut. Cardiologists who specialize in pacemakers MineralMan Tuesday #24
As the saying goes, NewLarry Tuesday #47
The first specialist sounds like the guy who told me I had to get both my knees replaced immediately,. That was 5 sinkingfeeling Tuesday #25
Thanks. An experience worth sharing and applying to similar situations. joanbarnes Tuesday #26
MD and AMA poozwah Tuesday #27
You really have to be your own doctor these days. I'm still pissed off about my experience a week ago Vinca Tuesday #28
Question everything. It's what I do too as a family advocate. live love laugh Tuesday #29
"You betcha" PCIntern Tuesday #31
What do you think of the Korean cholesterol study? womanofthehills Tuesday #33
I haven't read that study - Ms. Toad Tuesday #41
The Magnesium Miracle supports the findings that cholesterol isn't "bad" live love laugh Wednesday #64
They pulled this same shit with my Dad gay texan Tuesday #32
Similar story here, for goodnes sakes... Dancingdem Tuesday #34
My belief now is that most doctors are mediocre at best. LuckyLib Tuesday #37
I didn't save my source for this, and it's been a long time soldierant Wednesday #65
My biggest regret in life is the one time I didn't stand up to a doctor. pnwmom Tuesday #38
Oohh my gosh Chicagogrl1 Tuesday #39
I was 31 when I first refused medical intervention. Ms. Toad Tuesday #40
I've refused medical intervention. hunter Tuesday #44
So far - my refusals have always been for the better. Ms. Toad Tuesday #45
Just now, I declined the opportunity to wear a heart monitor. John1956PA Tuesday #42
I believe the hospital pressures these docs PCIntern Tuesday #51
I wore a heart monitor for a week and it was way more interesting than a few missed beats. hunter Tuesday #43
And "non-profit" hospitals are anything but. erronis Tuesday #54
They're drumming up business, minimizing liability, and pathologizing you. bucolic_frolic Tuesday #48
Always a good idea to be your own best advocate. hamsterjill Tuesday #53
Kickin' with enthusiasm Faux pas Tuesday #57
Thanks for sharing. yellow dahlia Tuesday #58
BIG kick and recommendation, might I add to get labs done on a regular basis and to 'watch the trend' ... cliffside Tuesday #59
Thanks for sharing, would you please link to this post in the health group? There is useful information in your post ... cliffside Tuesday #61
They are taking kickbacks from the medical device company iemanja Tuesday #62
You handled it expertly! pacalo Wednesday #63
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