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AdamGG

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45. There are plenty of analogues of authoritarians directing their military to "fight the enemy within"
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 01:05 PM
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I was asking ChatGPT for examples of this late last night (and it's not a soothing bedtime topic). One element of many megalomaniacs appearing a little goofy in their presentation is that it helps people to take them less seriously while they assume full authoritarian power. I wouldn't minimize Trump/Hegseth's speech to the military, especially in how its timing follows the Charlie Kirk assassination and their focus on using it as a rationale. It is WAY outside historical norms for the US. Doing it publicly has the possible goal of attempting to intimidate people from pushing back - as they have already done with law firms, the media, and universities. I think every democracy that was taken over by authoritarian forces sought to intimidate people in this way.

This is part of ChatGPT's response to me last night.

Yes — what you’re describing does mirror patterns seen in other democratic republics that slid into authoritarianism. Political scientists and historians have identified several common steps by which democracies erode, and the sequence you outlined fits many of those warning signs:

1. Consolidation of executive power

Loyalists in the judiciary, military, and executive agencies ensure that laws and checks are interpreted to favor the executive.

This makes it difficult or impossible for traditional constitutional checks to function.

Historical parallels:

Venezuela under Chávez/Maduro: Court-packing and loyalist appointments enabled executive dominance over legislative and judicial checks.

Hungary under Orbán: Gradual consolidation of judiciary and control over regulatory agencies.

2. Manipulation of elections

Redistricting, voter suppression, or “legalistic” manipulation of the electoral system to maintain legislative majorities is a classic authoritarian tactic.

Examples:

Russia in the 1990s–2000s: Strategic legal and political maneuvers limited opposition representation while maintaining a façade of elections.

Turkey under Erdoğan: Electoral rules and state control over elections ensured ruling-party dominance.

3. Erosion of civil liberties and rule of law

Using the military or law enforcement against perceived opponents without genuine legal justification, or targeting political opponents, is a hallmark of early authoritarian consolidation.

Examples:

Weimar Germany pre-1933: The Reichstag Fire and subsequent emergency powers allowed Hitler to bypass legislative checks.

Philippines under Marcos: Martial law was used to neutralize opposition and control institutions.

4. Control of the judiciary

Packing courts with loyalists removes an independent check on executive overreach.

Without a neutral judiciary, constitutional guarantees (due process, checks and balances) are effectively hollow.

5. Eliminating accountability mechanisms

Gerrymandering, controlling Congress, controlling regulatory agencies, and purging dissenting officials all shield the executive from oversight.

Historical examples:

Hungary: Parliament reshaped and electoral laws rewritten to prevent opposition from gaining power.

Venezuela: Supreme Court and electoral council made loyalist appointments to prevent legislative pushback.

6. Implications for the U.S.

In theory, the U.S. Constitution has strong structural safeguards, but if multiple layers of oversight are captured or neutered, the system becomes vulnerable to authoritarian-style control.

This is exactly the concern many scholars raise when observing court-packing, legislative manipulation, military loyalty shifts, and executive encroachment on civil liberties.

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No one has stood up to them yet. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #1
what's depressing is the courts have actaully kicked his ass right and left so far this term.... Takket Sep 30 #2
Lower appellate courts have been helping him lame54 Sep 30 #4
The SC is part of the Trump Crime Syndicate. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #6
They are, but they call it "gifts" and "gratuities", not "pay" JHB Sep 30 #11
And their evil benefactors are just friends. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #14
A BRIBE by any other name (gratuity, tip, gift etc) is still a BRIBE. MLWR Sep 30 #30
Ever see the film ,"Seven Days in May"? BattleRow Wednesday #48
Today US generals don't want to face treason charges. Irish_Dem Wednesday #49
I saw it a bunch of times on TV waaay back. electric_blue68 Wednesday #56
Hate to break it to you but the military will do as they are told... walkingman Sep 30 #3
So, if he commands lethal force on Americans... sheshe2 Sep 30 #7
I think that would be considered illegal. Would they comply anyway? walkingman Sep 30 #8
The military would consider it an illegal order. He doesn't get the final word on what defines "war" or ancianita Sep 30 #9
Eh... antifa is not an organization. It's an antifascist sentiment. n/t Safe as Milk Wednesday #42
Of course. We know that. But he'll call it whatever to create a media image to his base. ancianita Wednesday #47
Sadly DownriverDem Sep 30 #13
I remember that very well. sheshe2 Sep 30 #16
I was only 10 LittleGirl Sep 30 #23
That is the $64,000 question, isn't it? n/t ReRe Sep 30 #21
It certainly is. sheshe2 Sep 30 #22
Today was bone-chilling. ReRe Sep 30 #27
If the troops are armed, they will shoot Bmoboy Wednesday #53
And that's the key TimeToGo Sep 30 #18
No one balked about firing on Venezuelan boats. 3Hotdogs Sep 30 #24
It was just Diddling Donny punching down in his traditional way. Safe as Milk Wednesday #43
Is everything trump does lawful? Ilsa Sep 30 #35
I seriously doubt it. However, in days of old it has happened but these days it is pretty walkingman Wednesday #44
they would be held accountable azureblue Wednesday #51
This message was self-deleted by its author vapor2 Sep 30 #37
Diddling Donny's power to punish protects him. Safe as Milk Wednesday #40
100% correct. Not only can he use the power of our judicial system to go after them walkingman Wednesday #54
unless azureblue Wednesday #50
Changing the purpose of the military from fighting for freedom in the world to bucolic_frolic Sep 30 #5
Yup orangecrush Sep 30 #10
Augiedog you are so right. They told the leaders of the military that the are going to issue illegal orders. flashman13 Sep 30 #12
Signal app is a well known way. But ... it is well known. Tetrachloride Sep 30 #25
Actually, popsdenver Sep 30 #15
Trump has the habit of out of control blundering. oasis Sep 30 #17
It hasn't gotten him imprisoned yet. So he's going to keep doing it. Aristus Sep 30 #20
Nobody is that lucky forever. DinahMoeHum Sep 30 #36
He should have been taken into custody The Wizard Wednesday #46
... all enemies foreign and domestic ... ZDU Sep 30 #19
Nope. angrychair Sep 30 #26
I would hope that you are right, but so far Trump and his minions have gotten away with everything. raccoon Sep 30 #28
Do you think they knew this was what they were doing? ananda Sep 30 #29
Agree. They woke a very big beast. Joinfortmill Sep 30 #31
Anyone talking about this anymore... or nah? IcyPeas Sep 30 #32
Not nearly enough. nt babylonsister Sep 30 #33
Their fellow Americans are not their enemy, despite what Fox and Newsmax says. surfered Sep 30 #34
Yeah, I doubt it. tavernier Wednesday #38
It's largely the Steve Bannon "flood the zone with shit" playbook AdamGG Wednesday #41
Don't Shit In Your Hejmet. BurnDoubt Wednesday #39
There are plenty of analogues of authoritarians directing their military to "fight the enemy within" AdamGG Wednesday #45
How do you think those Generals liked being lectured by an O-4? Bluetus Wednesday #52
Yes. Staging a MAGA rally for stone-faced generals has (hopefully) done irreparable harm to the regime pat_k Wednesday #55
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