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Iris

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28. This is a societal problem that needs to be addressed holistically and not just as crime and punishment scenario

Mon Sep 29, 2025, 11:08 PM

Sep 29

We need leadership that speaks truth to power and acknowledges there are many factors in our culture that contribute to this problem and then start laying out ways to address them.

When we start labeling people as pure evil, where does that end?

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I'm just now coming around to this. [View all] bigtree Sep 29 OP

Angry white MAGA males are hunting down Americans. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #1

I went looking for that and found that it's becoming a back and forth thing bigtree Sep 29 #4

I cannot and will not give angry white MAGA males a pass. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #6

okay, no one here is actually doing that bigtree Sep 29 #10

This all feels like man splaining to me. ananda Sep 29 #15

jesus that's vile bigtree Sep 29 #18

This is what makes his lecturing us all the more perplexing. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #44

You made a post with a quote from Kelly about "Not Pointing Fingers" at the perps. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #43

And yes, I'm right there beside you! ananda Sep 29 #14

Have you noticed? Does not matter where, but we can't talk about angry white males, niyad Sep 29 #31

everyone can see that NO ONE here said don't talk about white males bigtree Sep 29 #32

I did not say any of those things, so kindly address your remarks to niyad Sep 29 #33

is it, now? bigtree Sep 29 #36

I know. ananda Sep 29 #34

If women, POC, LGBT were the shooters they would be eliminated. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #45

Right there with you! niyad Sep 29 #30

How about "you first" to maga. Klarkashton Sep 29 #2

how about us first? bigtree Sep 29 #7

I don't think so. Klarkashton Sep 29 #8

which murders? bigtree Sep 29 #21

But is the violence coming from the left? intheflow Sep 30 #46

no question that EXTREMIST violence has shifted far to the right over the last 40 years bigtree Sep 30 #47

To change behavior, multigraincracker Sep 29 #17

It's hard to find any good behavior in one particular 79 year old. Gimpyknee Sep 30 #40

We have been doing that for what? 45 years? Eko Sep 29 #25

I think that incitement is an important element bigtree Sep 29 #27

Ari Schaffer may have espoused the best action to take. Gimpyknee Sep 30 #41

More than anything, to me, it is a Relief to my mind, that it was not one of us. Nictuku Sep 29 #3

same bigtree Sep 29 #9

We will not hear jack shit from law enforcement gab13by13 Sep 29 #16

Yes, you are so very right. I would say this about most mass shooters. Srkdqltr Sep 29 #5

To write it off as "just evil" makes it sound like Satan made him do it, and that the answer Gaugamela Sep 29 #11

Kelly is intimately familiar with gun violence bigtree Sep 29 #12

I've found that 95% of religions are authoritarian. multigraincracker Sep 29 #23

I do prefer when we yelled about mental healthcare and guns. Silent Type Sep 29 #13

But that was when we thought it mattered. ananda Sep 29 #19

what about the ones that aren't white maga? bigtree Sep 29 #24

Back to the when they go low we go high BS. Autumn Sep 29 #20

With respect to Kelly and Gifford and their experience, this is not the way. You can't solve a problem you can't or Iris Sep 29 #22

should we name the motives of folks who are perpetrating violence who aren't maga bigtree Sep 29 #26

This is a societal problem that needs to be addressed holistically and not just as crime and punishment scenario Iris Sep 29 #28

actually he labled the act as evil bigtree Sep 29 #29

The act is certanly evil... ananda Sep 29 #37

I agree and incitement to violence should continue to be called out. bigtree Sep 29 #39

I'm sorry but I don't believe this is a both sides thing ecstatic Sep 29 #35

there is a good deal of political violence that isn't coming from the rw bigtree Sep 29 #38

Have you noticed that every time trump is in office Keepthesoulalive Sep 30 #42