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thesquanderer

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62. Cuomo was establishment Democrat until he declared himself himself IND after losing the Dem primary.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 10:23 PM
Sep 29

Last edited Mon Sep 29, 2025, 11:07 PM - Edit history (1)

And it's one thing not to endorse the person who beat you (or at least not right away), but another thing entirely to actually run against him. Some states actually have laws against that. Whether you agree with those laws or not, this behavior is not good for the party, especially from someone who was not on the fringe of the party to begin with, but was practically the definition of party establishment, which Cuomo was. Even with the scandals that brought him down, he was still pretty much the poster boy for New York Democrat over his career, and presented himself as Dem right up until he lost to Mamdami.

Adams didn't have Cuomo's long and high profile career, but nonetheless, as mayor of NYC, he was NY Dem establishment until he, too, went independent after declining to run in the Dem primary after determining that he could not win it.

Interesting contrast referenced here, about how the biggest national establishment Dems Pelosi and Biden welcomed Adams 4 years ago, and now even establishment Dems from his own home state (Schumer and Jeffries) are keeping him at arm's length:

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/21/zohran-mamdani-new-york-democrats-wary

And since you wanted examples, besides those, the New York State Democratic Chair (Jay Jacobs) has refused to endorse him.

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Yeah. mr715 Sep 29 #1
"We have a Democratic nominee. Are we a party who rallies behind our nominee or not?," Emile Sep 29 #2
YES! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 29 #58
Unfortunately and some times it's wrong, but Democrats do have different opinions especially ....... Lovie777 Sep 29 #3
I am with you. Cuomo's term, like Bloomberg's had much that was awful in it, and much that Scrivener7 Sep 29 #5
there is always the least bad choice . just be grateful for any vote he gets no matter how begrudging msongs Sep 29 #24
It really is that simple. sdfernando Sep 29 #4
I don't think endorsements should be automatic newdeal2 Sep 29 #6
How about, if you can't, in good conscience, endorse the candidate, then don't say anything? MIButterfly Sep 29 #9
I'm not a New Yorker... the people will make the final decision, soon. WarGamer Sep 29 #7
What exactly is the "establishment" doing to harm Mamdani? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #8
Mamdani is not taking any harm mr715 Sep 29 #10
How? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #12
I'll do my best, I'll try to be logical. mr715 Sep 29 #14
Most endorsements in 21 SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #15
How about Cuomo? mr715 Sep 29 #16
F*ck Cuomo SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #18
Ha! mr715 Sep 29 #19
Then what is the "establishment" doing? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #21
You say fuck Cuomo mr715 Sep 29 #23
Cuomo is not part of the establishment SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #27
I've done my best to articulate my reasoning. mr715 Sep 29 #30
And I've asked you to cite SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #36
Cuomo was establishment Democrat until he declared himself himself IND after losing the Dem primary. thesquanderer Sep 29 #62
Cuomo sucks SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #64
While they may not be withholding funds, I doubt the party machinery under Jacobs is working to elect him, either. thesquanderer Sep 29 #67
That's supposition SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #68
I still think he's part of the establishment since he didn't resign and disappear Tribetime Sep 30 #81
That's an opinion SocialDemocrat61 Sep 30 #83
Excellent reply! I believe this is a leadership test. Emile Sep 29 #20
No, it's a purity test. SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #22
Who is looking for purity? mr715 Sep 29 #25
Sure they could SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #29
What is your definition of establishment? nt mr715 Sep 29 #33
National and state party officials SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #37
It isn't just me. mr715 Sep 29 #38
Again I couldn't care less SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #42
Even if endorsements are not important... thesquanderer Sep 29 #63
Endorsements are bs SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #65
Populists use the label Establishment to identify and demonize imaginary corrupt enemies out to get them. betsuni Sep 30 #74
Are we a party who rallies behind our nominee or not? Emile Sep 29 #40
We should be SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #43
As I said, it's a leadership test! Emile Sep 29 #44
And as I said SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #45
Gillibrand lives in N.Y. Booker does not. There is no reason for Booker to endorse candidates for another state. 3Hotdogs Sep 29 #46
Gillibrand lives in upstate New York SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #48
Moynihan had a term, "Benign neglect." 3Hotdogs Sep 29 #49
Yes he did SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #52
gotta wait 'till February fund raiser. 3Hotdogs Sep 29 #54
Well I'll still give a heart now ❤️ SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #56
Now I want a heart. nt mr715 Sep 29 #57
Ok here you go ❤️ SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #59
Just a respectful, thought provoking discussion. And a heart. NT mr715 Sep 29 #60
I am not a New Yorker and have no ball in this game. sheshe2 Sep 29 #11
It's a purity test SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #17
You are correct. sheshe2 Sep 29 #28
I've asked for SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #34
Why is anyone obligated to answer questions you ask? Violet_Crumble Sep 29 #66
They are not SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #69
Conspiracy theory that Democrats are corrupted by donors, oligarchs, billionaires, corporations, lobbyists, betsuni Sep 30 #75
I'm not from New York, I simply don't care about this election. tritsofme Sep 29 #13
We're the greatest city in the world mr715 Sep 29 #26
Also a strong democratic socialist movement may convince applegrove Sep 29 #31
Either way the Democrat Party wins Glen Livid Sep 29 #32
Democratic not Democrat. nt BWdem4life Sep 29 #41
George Carlin has already told us why. aeromanKC Sep 29 #35
We need to support the new guard Chicagogrl1 Sep 29 #39
Amen LilElf70 Sep 29 #51
"We need to support the new guard" sheshe2 Sep 29 #53
In the movie Logan"s Run SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #55
Dayum, fifty could be the new old and in the way. sheshe2 Sep 29 #61
Then "new guard" gets same "disappointment" complaints, into the Status Quo Establishment binder they go. betsuni Sep 30 #79
Herding Democrats can be harder than herding cats. pat_k Sep 29 #47
Well said Cirsium Sep 29 #50
re: " It shouldn't be who the establishment wants it to be or who they think it should be or whose turn it is" thesquanderer Sep 29 #70
He should become a Democrat LyfeTimeDem Sep 29 #71
Mamdani is a democrat SocialDemocrat61 Sep 30 #72
he is a self-identified Socialist LyfeTimeDem Sep 30 #73
He's a member of the Democratic Party SocialDemocrat61 Sep 30 #80
Yep Coumo & Adams shouldnt be running IbogaProject Sep 30 #76
The old Democrats have to step aside bob4460 Sep 30 #77
How do you define old? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 30 #85
Sanders doesn't identify as a Democrat n/t MichMan Sep 30 #86
True SocialDemocrat61 Sep 30 #87
Post removed Post removed Sep 30 #78
He is a Democrat. It's time to show support for the democratic nominee. Emile Sep 30 #84
Post removed Post removed Sep 30 #82
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