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pat_k

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47. Herding Democrats can be harder than herding cats.

Reply to MIButterfly (Original post)

Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:28 PM

Sep 29

An end to the tendency to jump into circular firing squads would sure be nice, but I fear that such "arguments in the family" are a natural part of being a member of a very diverse party.

That said, I've actually been quite pleased that we are seeing an unusual level of unity in meeting the challenge of opposing the 47 regime. And while I'd love for the entire party to follow the sort of rule we have here (fight it out all you want in primary season, but come together behind the nominee), we don't have any party "enforcers." And I am very, very grateful we don't.

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My thought about Zohran Mamdani and the Democratic Party. [View all] MIButterfly Sep 29 OP

Yeah. mr715 Sep 29 #1

"We have a Democratic nominee. Are we a party who rallies behind our nominee or not?," Emile Sep 29 #2

YES! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 29 #58

Unfortunately and some times it's wrong, but Democrats do have different opinions especially ....... Lovie777 Sep 29 #3

I am with you. Cuomo's term, like Bloomberg's had much that was awful in it, and much that Scrivener7 Sep 29 #5

there is always the least bad choice . just be grateful for any vote he gets no matter how begrudging msongs Sep 29 #24

It really is that simple. sdfernando Sep 29 #4

I don't think endorsements should be automatic newdeal2 Sep 29 #6

How about, if you can't, in good conscience, endorse the candidate, then don't say anything? MIButterfly Sep 29 #9

I'm not a New Yorker... the people will make the final decision, soon. WarGamer Sep 29 #7

What exactly is the "establishment" doing to harm Mamdani? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #8

Mamdani is not taking any harm mr715 Sep 29 #10

How? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #12

I'll do my best, I'll try to be logical. mr715 Sep 29 #14

Most endorsements in 21 SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #15

How about Cuomo? mr715 Sep 29 #16

F*ck Cuomo SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #18

Ha! mr715 Sep 29 #19

Then what is the "establishment" doing? SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #21

You say fuck Cuomo mr715 Sep 29 #23

Cuomo is not part of the establishment SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #27

I've done my best to articulate my reasoning. mr715 Sep 29 #30

And I've asked you to cite SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #36

Cuomo was establishment Democrat until he declared himself himself IND after losing the Dem primary. thesquanderer Sep 29 #62

Cuomo sucks SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #64

While they may not be withholding funds, I doubt the party machinery under Jacobs is working to elect him, either. thesquanderer Sep 29 #67

That's supposition SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #68

I still think he's part of the establishment since he didn't resign and disappear Tribetime Tuesday #81

That's an opinion SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #83

Excellent reply! I believe this is a leadership test. Emile Sep 29 #20

No, it's a purity test. SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #22

Who is looking for purity? mr715 Sep 29 #25

Sure they could SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #29

What is your definition of establishment? nt mr715 Sep 29 #33

National and state party officials SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #37

It isn't just me. mr715 Sep 29 #38

Again I couldn't care less SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #42

Even if endorsements are not important... thesquanderer Sep 29 #63

Endorsements are bs SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #65

Populists use the label Establishment to identify and demonize imaginary corrupt enemies out to get them. betsuni Tuesday #74

Are we a party who rallies behind our nominee or not? Emile Sep 29 #40

We should be SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #43

As I said, it's a leadership test! Emile Sep 29 #44

And as I said SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #45

Gillibrand lives in N.Y. Booker does not. There is no reason for Booker to endorse candidates for another state. 3Hotdogs Sep 29 #46

Gillibrand lives in upstate New York SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #48

Moynihan had a term, "Benign neglect." 3Hotdogs Sep 29 #49

Yes he did SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #52

gotta wait 'till February fund raiser. 3Hotdogs Sep 29 #54

Well I'll still give a heart now ❤️ SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #56

Now I want a heart. nt mr715 Sep 29 #57

Ok here you go ❤️ SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #59

Just a respectful, thought provoking discussion. And a heart. NT mr715 Sep 29 #60

I am not a New Yorker and have no ball in this game. sheshe2 Sep 29 #11

It's a purity test SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #17

You are correct. sheshe2 Sep 29 #28

I've asked for SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #34

Why is anyone obligated to answer questions you ask? Violet_Crumble Sep 29 #66

They are not SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #69

Conspiracy theory that Democrats are corrupted by donors, oligarchs, billionaires, corporations, lobbyists, betsuni Tuesday #75

I'm not from New York, I simply don't care about this election. tritsofme Sep 29 #13

We're the greatest city in the world mr715 Sep 29 #26

Also a strong democratic socialist movement may convince applegrove Sep 29 #31

Either way the Democrat Party wins Glen Livid Sep 29 #32

Democratic not Democrat. nt BWdem4life Sep 29 #41

George Carlin has already told us why. aeromanKC Sep 29 #35

We need to support the new guard Chicagogrl1 Sep 29 #39

Amen LilElf70 Sep 29 #51

"We need to support the new guard" sheshe2 Sep 29 #53

In the movie Logan"s Run SocialDemocrat61 Sep 29 #55

Dayum, fifty could be the new old and in the way. sheshe2 Sep 29 #61

Then "new guard" gets same "disappointment" complaints, into the Status Quo Establishment binder they go. betsuni Tuesday #79

Herding Democrats can be harder than herding cats. pat_k Sep 29 #47

Well said Cirsium Sep 29 #50

re: " It shouldn't be who the establishment wants it to be or who they think it should be or whose turn it is" thesquanderer Sep 29 #70

He should become a Democrat LyfeTimeDem Sep 29 #71

Mamdani is a democrat SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #72

he is a self-identified Socialist LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #73

He's a member of the Democratic Party SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #80

Yep Coumo & Adams shouldnt be running IbogaProject Tuesday #76

The old Democrats have to step aside bob4460 Tuesday #77

How do you define old? SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #85

Sanders doesn't identify as a Democrat n/t MichMan Tuesday #86

True SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #87

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He is a Democrat. It's time to show support for the democratic nominee. Emile Tuesday #84

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