Alter: He showed you a few photos of Trump with women of indeterminate age. Do you think they still exist?
Wolff: I have no way of knowing if the pictures he showed me are destroyed. He kept them in his safe, which the FBI raided. I assume they took the contents, which would now be part of the Epstein file, but I don’t know if the pictures were there at the time of the search, though it would have been likely.
Alter: Isn’t it likely that the most incriminating stuff in the Epstein files has been destroyed?
Wolff: I don’t know. A lot of people, like Assistant U.S. attorneys and FBI agents, would have seen this material. Would they go out on a limb to hide it? I don’t know.
Alter: Could Trump be nervous about leaks from the FBI?
Wolff: I don’t know. I think Trump is nervous about his long relationship with Epstein, which he has always ignored, denied, or swept under the rug, but now he’s being cornered by it.
Alter: Can you share something from those 100 hours of interviews about Trump that we don’t know?
Wolff: I can share a funny story: In 1989 or 1990, Trump’s father made him look at real estate in Brooklyn. Trump took Epstein in a limo with two girls, each with a dog. Trump said, “No dogs,” and Epstein replied, “No dogs, no girls.” Trump relented, and they all went together. Epstein later told Trump not to become a Brooklyn developer or he’d never speak to him again.
Alter: Why did the friendship end?
Wolff: It ended over real estate. In 2004, Epstein believed he was the high bidder on a Palm Beach house at $36 million and took Trump to see it and to give him advice on moving the swimming pool. Trump then promptly went around his back and outbid him at $40 million, though he likely didn’t have $40 million; Epstein believed Trump was fronting for someone and threatened to sue him. Epstein believed Trump then informed the police in Palm Beach that he had a never-ending stream of underage girls in and out of his house there, and thus began his long years of legal peril.
Alter: All of this was about ten years before you talked to Epstein about his relationship with Trump?
Wolff: Yes. The real estate incident was the same as the one involving a Russian oligarch [Dmitry Rybolovlev] buying the property from Trump for $95 million two years later [in 2008].
Alter: The deal was reported in 2016, but not the Epstein connection. The oligarch got to launder more than $50 million.
Wolff: Exactly. I reported about it in 2018 or 2019, in my second [Trump] book.
Alter: What else did you learn specifically about Trump and Epstein?
Wolff: Epstein talked about how Trump liked to pick up girls, sleep with other men’s wives, liked black women, and at one point, they shared a girlfriend for almost a year.
Alter: Did Epstein ever lie about Trump?
Wolff: I had no reason to think so. The details and involvement of other people lead me to believe it was mostly true. I just received an email from someone who said that in the early ’90s, Charles Allen [co-founder of Allen and Co.] introduced this person to Donald Trump, who was with Epstein and called him “Jeffy.”
Alter: Is it your audio online where Epstein says Trump was his best friend?
Wolff: Yes, it is. I’ve released it a couple of times, most recently before the 2024 election, after a former Epstein girlfriend came forward with allegations against Trump.
Alyer: Did you ever believe Trump was seeing underage girls?
Wolff: I don’t know. All I know is he spent enormous time with Epstein, obviously knew what was going on there, and they hunted girls together, including when they were in business with modeling agencies. There’s the “calendar” story—Miss Whoever, beauty pageants at Mar-a-Lago, with an audience of two: Epstein and Trump. I saw pictures of girls around Epstein’s pool in Palm Beach. Their age and what Trump was doing with them, other than the fact that they were topless, I don’t know.
Alter: You’ve described a couple of photos he took from his safe and showed you: one showed topless women sitting with Trump, and one showed women pointing at a stain on his pants and laughing. Is that right?
Wolff: Yes, that’s right.
Alter: Were they of indeterminate age or in their 20s?
Wolff: They were of indeterminate age.
More of the interview at link:
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/20/the-wolff-epstein-tapes/
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