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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo Trump WH lied when they claimed he ended his 10-year friendship with Epstein becase he was a 'creep'
...it turns out that his falling out with Epstein was about some personnel dispute, not anything to do with the impression Trump wanted to leave in answers to 2005 press inquiries of some moral issue with his sleazy lifestyle.
Acyn @Acyn
Trump: For years I wouldn't talk to Jeffrey Epstein. He did something that was inappropriate. He hired help and I said don't ever do that again. He stole people that worked for me.
I said, Dont ever do that again. And he did it again. And I threw him out of the place. Persona non grata. I threw him out and that was it.
So it wasn't over the child sex abuse Trump witnessed and likely participated in.
He claims today it was just some tiff over personnel.
But, Epsteins ban by Trump from Mar a lago was just months BEFORE he pleaded guilty in 2008 to state criminal charges in Florida, which included paying for sexual services from a 14-year-old girl.
In 2002, Trump told New York magazine, Ive known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy.
Hes a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.
The fact is that the president kicked him out of his club for being a creep, White House communications director Steven Cheung told The New York Times
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt also used the same line.
Its not news that Epstein was a member of the Mar-a-Lago club, she told reporters, because its the same club Donald Trump kicked Epstein out of for being a creep.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-gives-totally-different-answer-162924823.html
sop
(17,204 posts)Alter: He showed you a few photos of Trump with women of indeterminate age. Do you think they still exist?
Wolff: I have no way of knowing if the pictures he showed me are destroyed. He kept them in his safe, which the FBI raided. I assume they took the contents, which would now be part of the Epstein file, but I dont know if the pictures were there at the time of the search, though it would have been likely.
Alter: Isnt it likely that the most incriminating stuff in the Epstein files has been destroyed?
Wolff: I dont know. A lot of people, like Assistant U.S. attorneys and FBI agents, would have seen this material. Would they go out on a limb to hide it? I dont know.
Alter: Could Trump be nervous about leaks from the FBI?
Wolff: I dont know. I think Trump is nervous about his long relationship with Epstein, which he has always ignored, denied, or swept under the rug, but now hes being cornered by it.
Alter: Can you share something from those 100 hours of interviews about Trump that we dont know?
Wolff: I can share a funny story: In 1989 or 1990, Trumps father made him look at real estate in Brooklyn. Trump took Epstein in a limo with two girls, each with a dog. Trump said, No dogs, and Epstein replied, No dogs, no girls. Trump relented, and they all went together. Epstein later told Trump not to become a Brooklyn developer or hed never speak to him again.
Alter: Why did the friendship end?
Wolff: It ended over real estate. In 2004, Epstein believed he was the high bidder on a Palm Beach house at $36 million and took Trump to see it and to give him advice on moving the swimming pool. Trump then promptly went around his back and outbid him at $40 million, though he likely didnt have $40 million; Epstein believed Trump was fronting for someone and threatened to sue him. Epstein believed Trump then informed the police in Palm Beach that he had a never-ending stream of underage girls in and out of his house there, and thus began his long years of legal peril.
Alter: All of this was about ten years before you talked to Epstein about his relationship with Trump?
Wolff: Yes. The real estate incident was the same as the one involving a Russian oligarch [Dmitry Rybolovlev] buying the property from Trump for $95 million two years later [in 2008].
Alter: The deal was reported in 2016, but not the Epstein connection. The oligarch got to launder more than $50 million.
Wolff: Exactly. I reported about it in 2018 or 2019, in my second [Trump] book.
Alter: What else did you learn specifically about Trump and Epstein?
Wolff: Epstein talked about how Trump liked to pick up girls, sleep with other mens wives, liked black women, and at one point, they shared a girlfriend for almost a year.
Alter: Did Epstein ever lie about Trump?
Wolff: I had no reason to think so. The details and involvement of other people lead me to believe it was mostly true. I just received an email from someone who said that in the early 90s, Charles Allen [co-founder of Allen and Co.] introduced this person to Donald Trump, who was with Epstein and called him Jeffy.
Alter: Is it your audio online where Epstein says Trump was his best friend?
Wolff: Yes, it is. Ive released it a couple of times, most recently before the 2024 election, after a former Epstein girlfriend came forward with allegations against Trump.
Alyer: Did you ever believe Trump was seeing underage girls?
Wolff: I dont know. All I know is he spent enormous time with Epstein, obviously knew what was going on there, and they hunted girls together, including when they were in business with modeling agencies. Theres the calendar storyMiss Whoever, beauty pageants at Mar-a-Lago, with an audience of two: Epstein and Trump. I saw pictures of girls around Epsteins pool in Palm Beach. Their age and what Trump was doing with them, other than the fact that they were topless, I dont know.
Alter: Youve described a couple of photos he took from his safe and showed you: one showed topless women sitting with Trump, and one showed women pointing at a stain on his pants and laughing. Is that right?
Wolff: Yes, thats right.
Alter: Were they of indeterminate age or in their 20s?
Wolff: They were of indeterminate age.
More of the interview at link:
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/20/the-wolff-epstein-tapes/
babylonsister
(172,527 posts)way back. Epstein was a "friend" for over a decade and that despicable guy basically stole a real estate deal from him. Character will/does out.
samsingh
(18,233 posts)onethatcares
(16,949 posts)a guy they'd send out for coffee occassionally. djt hardly knew him...............................
EdmondDantes_
(1,272 posts)It's not entirely out of the question that he used creep to describe Epstein after a personal falling out. See crooked Hillary, Little Rubio, blood coming out of her wherever.
But yes, all the available evidence is Trump and Epstein fell out over personal issues not Epstein's arrest.
struggle4progress
(125,288 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(132,063 posts)Fixed it.