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betsuni

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18. FDR was a liberal Democrat, capitalist, he saw his liberalism as saving the U.S. from socialism.
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:24 AM
May 2025

Can't be both a democratic socialist and an FDR liberal Democrat unless one believes in four myths:

1. Sanders is a "democratic socialist," not an actual socialist.
2. "Democratic socialism" means all the best programs and proposals of the Democratic heroes.
3. FDR and LBJ were democratic socialists.
4. Bernie has Democratic roots, not socialist roots.

"There are two major lanes on the liberal side of politics: the socialism-not-capitalism lane and the capitalism-not-socialism lane. I'll call them the socialist lane and the FDR liberal lane. Essentially everyone has been clear on the difference until now ... . ... Sanders pretends the socialist lane simply does not exist by never mentioning any of it except for democratic socialism which he incorrectly moves into FDR's lane. In fact, he no longer openly advocates any socialist ideas, but instead claims FDR's ideas are democratic socialism. Finally, he removes the word 'liberal' from from FDR's lane, even though FDR spent spent his presidency establishing it as his brand.

"Both factions support FDR's Second Bill of Rights. ... FDR is basically the Democrats' patron saint and they have been implementing parts of the Second Bill of Rights whenever they got the chance, right down to Obamacare in 2010. ... However, [Bernie supporters] see that Democrats reject socialism/democratic socialism and conclude (falsely) that they are rejecting FDR's Second Bill of Rights. Then they conclude that non-socialist Democrats are shills for Wall Street or throwbacks to 'neoliberalism' ... . The polarization of his followers is good, even life saving, for Sanders. Otherwise, everyone would see he is in the socialist lane that's never gone anywhere. But it is devastating for the Democratic Party, which, of course, means it's good for Trump."

Steven Stoft "Ripped Apart: How Democrats Can Fight Polarization to Win"

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WTF!? sheshe2 May 2025 #1
Well, he's not a Democrat. RandySF May 2025 #2
This is a forum for supporters of the Democratic Party. betsuni May 2025 #3
The Democratic Party depends heavily on independent voters to win elections thought crime May 2025 #8
"Where there is no vision the people perish" Proverbs 29:18 Uncle Joe May 2025 #4
Which areas ? JI7 May 2025 #5
The imaginary areas. Republicans ignore everyone and win. Strongly worded speeches about policy do nothing. betsuni May 2025 #10
White RandySF May 2025 #13
I'm a Bernie Democrat James48 May 2025 #6
Same here thought crime May 2025 #12
FDR was a liberal Democrat, capitalist, he saw his liberalism as saving the U.S. from socialism. betsuni May 2025 #18
Splitting hairs. thought crime May 2025 #23
Which areas? Meowmee May 2025 #7
He's not a Democrat and never has been. Nice of him to caucus with Senate Dems, but when quoting him at DU... Hekate May 2025 #9
Here in WI in '16, many on the Left, Democrats & Independents were so sure Hillary would win elocs May 2025 #16
Truly Hekate May 2025 #20
Why would they vote for a Putin troll ? JI7 May 2025 #22
I VOTE FOR Democrats. NO THANKS! Cha May 2025 #11
Race is still Bernie's blind spot. RandySF May 2025 #14
His other blind spot is gender. Speaking as a woman, everything he says about economics... Hekate May 2025 #21
He's NOT a friend of Democrats or the Democratic party. This is bad advice. Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #15
Agreed! n/t elocs May 2025 #17
That whole youtube channel is weak. nt LexVegas May 2025 #19
In my rural and red area, the Democratic brand just seems toxic hurl May 2025 #24
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