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thought crime

(195 posts)
8. The Democratic Party depends heavily on independent voters to win elections
Sun May 18, 2025, 03:43 AM
8 hrs ago

In the flawed American political system, coalitions must be created informally before an election. The Democratic Party constituency is probably formed from various center, center-left and left-of-center factions. At such a critical point in history, supporters of the Democratic Party need to embrace all factions under a wide umbrella. At this point, even "Never-Trump" conservatives could be regarded as "supporters of the Democratic Party", especially if they have voted for Democrats in several elections.

Uncle Joe

(61,678 posts)
4. "Where there is no vision the people perish" Proverbs 29:18
Sun May 18, 2025, 02:30 AM
9 hrs ago

Last edited Sun May 18, 2025, 11:06 AM - Edit history (1)

Thanks for the thread egbertowillies

betsuni

(27,895 posts)
10. The imaginary areas. Republicans ignore everyone and win. Strongly worded speeches about policy do nothing.
Sun May 18, 2025, 04:18 AM
7 hrs ago

"clear eyed reason"

"'For the most part, Republicans rack up big margins in red areas by default,' says Wisconsin Democratic Party chair Ben Wikler. One of his goals when he took the helm of the party was to change its long term prospects in rural areas of the state by competing everywhere, and in 2022, for the first time in many years, Democrats fielded a state representative candidate in every district, even those where they had little chance of winning. Those candidates found a barren political landscape. 'Candidate after candidate would tell me they were working their socks off and never seeing evidence of a real campaign on the Republican side,' Wikler told us. 'And some of these candidates right before the election told me that they were really confident they'd win, because they knew their opponent had essentially done nothing, had barely filed any fundraising, had no meaningful field presence to speak of. And yet the Republicans would still win by these massive margins.'

"Nevertheless, when it comes to policy, Democrats at both the state and federal level never stop trying to help rural America, as politically unrequited their efforts might be. Every Democratic presidential campaign puts out some kind of rural agenda, full of policies and programs and economic development ideas. And when they take office, they back it up with dollars; when Democrats pass a big spending bill, it is likely not just to make a point of directing money to rural areas, but also to ensure that resources are in place to help rural communities access funding and navigate federal bureaucracies.

"You will search in vain for similar Republican initiatives to revitalize urban centers, yet nobody accuses the GOP of 'ignoring' urban America or demands that the party genuflect before the urban citizens who vote against it in substantial numbers"

Tom Schaller, Paul Waldman, "White Rural Rage"

James48

(4,829 posts)
6. I'm a Bernie Democrat
Sun May 18, 2025, 02:44 AM
9 hrs ago

And I think Bernie is so far exactly on target - and those who dont understand that
need to broaden horizons.

My area is red, but if a strong progressive runs , and talks about jobs, and raising pay, and addressing homelessness, and housing, and food; they would do well. In my area 80% of the races have no Dem candidate. Period.

People better step up this eoo loo nation cycle and run, however it is- as a Dem, or independent- to save what is left of democracy. This next election could be the last ever.

thought crime

(195 posts)
12. Same here
Sun May 18, 2025, 05:16 AM
6 hrs ago

Bernie Democrat, New Deal Democrat, Green New Deal Democrat, Democratic Socialist, FDR Democrat, Social Democrat. I’ll happily accept any of those labels. I regard Bernie as a de facto leader in the Democratic Party.

betsuni

(27,895 posts)
18. FDR was a liberal Democrat, capitalist, he saw his liberalism as saving the U.S. from socialism.
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:24 AM
4 hrs ago

Can't be both a democratic socialist and an FDR liberal Democrat unless one believes in four myths:

1. Sanders is a "democratic socialist," not an actual socialist.
2. "Democratic socialism" means all the best programs and proposals of the Democratic heroes.
3. FDR and LBJ were democratic socialists.
4. Bernie has Democratic roots, not socialist roots.

"There are two major lanes on the liberal side of politics: the socialism-not-capitalism lane and the capitalism-not-socialism lane. I'll call them the socialist lane and the FDR liberal lane. Essentially everyone has been clear on the difference until now ... . ... Sanders pretends the socialist lane simply does not exist by never mentioning any of it except for democratic socialism which he incorrectly moves into FDR's lane. In fact, he no longer openly advocates any socialist ideas, but instead claims FDR's ideas are democratic socialism. Finally, he removes the word 'liberal' from from FDR's lane, even though FDR spent spent his presidency establishing it as his brand.

"Both factions support FDR's Second Bill of Rights. ... FDR is basically the Democrats' patron saint and they have been implementing parts of the Second Bill of Rights whenever they got the chance, right down to Obamacare in 2010. ... However, [Bernie supporters] see that Democrats reject socialism/democratic socialism and conclude (falsely) that they are rejecting FDR's Second Bill of Rights. Then they conclude that non-socialist Democrats are shills for Wall Street or throwbacks to 'neoliberalism' ... . The polarization of his followers is good, even life saving, for Sanders. Otherwise, everyone would see he is in the socialist lane that's never gone anywhere. But it is devastating for the Democratic Party, which, of course, means it's good for Trump."

Steven Stoft "Ripped Apart: How Democrats Can Fight Polarization to Win"

Meowmee

(9,126 posts)
7. Which areas?
Sun May 18, 2025, 03:08 AM
8 hrs ago

Maybe it's time for him to retire, how long has he been a senator now? Just kidding 😹

Hekate

(97,629 posts)
9. He's not a Democrat and never has been. Nice of him to caucus with Senate Dems, but when quoting him at DU...
Sun May 18, 2025, 04:08 AM
7 hrs ago

…regarding “independent” and other political party runs, please recall that this site exists to support Democratic politicians and office-holders.

elocs

(24,312 posts)
16. Here in WI in '16, many on the Left, Democrats & Independents were so sure Hillary would win
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:19 AM
4 hrs ago

that they chose to vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party who received more votes here than Trump's margin of victory. Plus, there were BoBs (Bernie or Bust) who voted for Trump (up to 13% of them as reported by NPR) to teach the Democratic Party a lesson for not nominating Bernie.
In my over 50 years of voting I have 1 hard and fast rule--I only vote for Democrats. The only way I would ever vote for Bernie is if he were the Democratic candidate here and then I would expect the Republican candidate to win.

Sanders is NOT a Democrat and so it is NOT appropriate to be reading a post here at DU of him encouraging people NOT to vote for Democratic candidates even if they are not Republicans.

RandySF

(74,244 posts)
14. Race is still Bernie's blind spot.
Sun May 18, 2025, 05:44 AM
6 hrs ago

He ignores the role race plays in the Republicans' strategy to consolidate power in rural and small town America. He also believes white and Black Americans face the same economic challenges and never acknowledges the systemic barriers to prosperity that Black Americans face.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,761 posts)
15. He's NOT a friend of Democrats or the Democratic party. This is bad advice.
Sun May 18, 2025, 05:53 AM
5 hrs ago

Third party spoilers ALWAYS benefit the GOP. Why would he want to encourage people to becomes SPOILER candidates?

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