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Kashkakat v.2.0

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29. Just have a policy, any policy, and FOLLOW IT

Mon Dec 25, 2023, 12:19 PM

Dec 2023

Ok, maybe not ANY policy - of course humane and practiced with utmost respect for migrants and their well being. But there does need to be some sort of gate keeping function .

Its long baffled me why there hasnt been bi- partisan consensus on establishing work visas to both help alleviate labor shortages and the families of those who come here to work. If its the road to citizenship that is contentious then leave that for now, just establish the protocol for coming here to work.... and then we work to further define what further refinements to immigration law there should be.

Along with that - come down hard on illegal EMPLOYERS. IE ones who hire people without work permits and thereby are able to disregard workplace safety provisions and other labor laws and all the other ways they are able to screw over the workers. Throw THEM in the slammer and separate THEM from THEIR families! See how they like it!

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What should our border/migrant stance be? [View all] Polybius Dec 2023 OP

if one identifies as a Xtian... ret5hd Dec 2023 #1

So open borders? Polybius Dec 2023 #5

i'll let YOU give me YOUR interpretation... ret5hd Dec 2023 #6

Ok, so I'm the exact opposite Polybius Dec 2023 #9

Of course. ret5hd Dec 2023 #11

I'm over 20 minutes in so far, but disagree Polybius Dec 2023 #18

Explain...using logic...the morality of choosing a latte over saving someones life. ret5hd Dec 2023 #20

2 things: Polybius Dec 2023 #26

Consider that there will always be someone poorer than you... brooklynite Dec 2023 #82

I identify as a Christian but I don't want my country to be ruled by Bible verses. former9thward Dec 2023 #8

The only thing requested (by me anyway)... ret5hd Dec 2023 #12

The law. former9thward Dec 2023 #14

The law is often not ethical or moral John Shaft Dec 2023 #46

We are a nation of about 330 million people. former9thward Dec 2023 #62

Strict adherence to a legalistic mindset or worldview is a conservative trait John Shaft Dec 2023 #67

No, appreciation for rational government is a liberal trait. former9thward Dec 2023 #68

You have discovered nothing John Shaft Dec 2023 #69

The law is notably silent on whether one should lie about one's political affiliations Prairie Gates Dec 2023 #80

I don't think any country in the world has an "open borders" TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #2

explain to me in plain english... ret5hd Dec 2023 #3

I'm pretty sure you can find those yourself with a bit of Google help TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #4

what you don't want to say (and i don't blame you)... ret5hd Dec 2023 #7

There's a lottery. Igel Dec 2023 #33

So you're saying we have no legal farm workers? brooklynite Dec 2023 #83

Apply the same standards white immigrants got in the 19th century John Shaft Dec 2023 #47

It's getting kinda crowded here lately Calculating Dec 2023 #10

There's no room at the inn! ret5hd Dec 2023 #13

There was not even room at the inn 2000 years ago in Judea. former9thward Dec 2023 #15

J&M were visiting. Igel Dec 2023 #34

Well, it wasn't exactly a feast...they were there to be taxed. Tanuki Dec 2023 #42

On the contrary, we need more immigrants. Elessar Zappa Dec 2023 #16

Depends how you look at it Polybius Dec 2023 #17

Maybe that would be good in an ideal world but Elessar Zappa Dec 2023 #44

We were taking in similar numbers pre 9/11 and I don't remember people screaming about it back then Rstrstx Dec 2023 #40

True, the numbers in the last couple of years are near 2000 levels ClimateHawk Dec 2023 #65

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #19

Can't imagine signing up for a message board ok_cpu Dec 2023 #22

We cannot have all the Venezuelans (and soon Argentinians) move to the United States. dalton99a Dec 2023 #21

We need a vastly streamlined path to citizenship NickB79 Dec 2023 #23

I'm still trying to figure out the Republican stance Emile Dec 2023 #24

Their stance is build a wall, round them them up, and send them back (even if born here) Polybius Dec 2023 #27

Well they have the majority, when are they Emile Dec 2023 #41

Well, they did attach a hardline immigration bill to Ukraine/Israel aid Polybius Dec 2023 #43

Well apparently that's not working. What Emile Dec 2023 #45

What do you want them to do? Polybius Dec 2023 #48

How about quit pointing their finger. Emile Dec 2023 #51

But the ball's in the Senate's court Polybius Dec 2023 #52

Blaming the other side is not a good negotiation Emile Dec 2023 #53

It's tied to Ukraine aid Polybius Dec 2023 #56

Tying Ukraine aid to an immigration bill Emile Dec 2023 #58

People on the left will be upset though. Mad_Machine76 Dec 2023 #74

Well, that may be too bad Polybius Jan 2024 #95

They want the laws on the books enforced ripcord Dec 2023 #71

Then why aren't they doing something? Emile Dec 2023 #72

They do try but they dont comtrol immigration policy, we do ripcord Dec 2023 #73

Congress has the power to regulate immigration. Emile Dec 2023 #87

It's not as easy as Americans assume in other countries. EllieBC Dec 2023 #25

Let them in The Contrarian Dec 2023 #28

No limits at all? MichMan Dec 2023 #57

Just have a policy, any policy, and FOLLOW IT Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2023 #29

Agreed on the employers MichMan Dec 2023 #61

It's more complicated than we think jmbar2 Dec 2023 #30

Path to citizenship. The border problem persists for a number of reasons... brush Dec 2023 #31

We should welcome the refugees. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #32

"Globalization driven by US economic hegemony has wrecked the economies of our southern neighbors" EX500rider Dec 2023 #39

Create a task force comprised of serious, knowledgeable adults ecstatic Dec 2023 #35

Moving to America can't be the solution to everyone's RubyRose Dec 2023 #36

We share some responsibility for that too Mad_Machine76 Dec 2023 #75

100% for open border. (IF done the way it should be) (i do not have the answer to how it should be done tho) bluestarone Dec 2023 #37

That can be a distressing subject. limbicnuminousity Dec 2023 #38

Improve tech education in the U.S. and limit so-called "high skilled" visas RandomNumbers Dec 2023 #49

We should finally help the countries these people are leaving Johonny Dec 2023 #50

,+1 Emile Dec 2023 #64

Asylum seekers must be processed faster. Freethinker65 Dec 2023 #54

Agreed since most do not qualify for asylum. MichMan Dec 2023 #55

They know the odds: 93% of apprehensions are mere formalities that result in release. dalton99a Dec 2023 #60

The whole idea that hundreds of thousands are seeking political asylum is ridiculous Prairie Gates Dec 2023 #81

sanctions enid602 Dec 2023 #59

We have sanctions because they are human rights violators. former9thward Dec 2023 #70

Venezuela enid602 Dec 2023 #77

Increase legal immigration. Be picky. Melting pot participation required... gulliver Dec 2023 #63

" Invest in Mexico, Central, and South America, so the people don't want to emigrate " MichMan Dec 2023 #78

This needs to be the number one question we address in 2024 Arthur_Frain Dec 2023 #66

"Congress controls legislation. The Pres. will give serious consideration to any bill spooky3 Dec 2023 #76

We need a process IbogaProject Dec 2023 #79

Time to spend some serious money in Mexico, etc., in transition programs. Silent Type Dec 2023 #84

Draconian or compassionate pfitz59 Dec 2023 #85

If we agree that the problem is the perception of immigrants taking desirable jobs from US citizens, meadowlander Dec 2023 #86

It should be an effort to visibly show a co-operation with Repubs as this is their major issue against Dems.. NowsTheTime Dec 2023 #88

Republicans are not serious. See post 58. Emile Dec 2023 #89

We are also not serious on the left and that's part of the problem JCMach1 Dec 2023 #92

If what you say is true, we need to play their Emile Dec 2023 #94

Several things pinkstarburst Dec 2023 #90

In the future there are only two states in the Western Hemisphere. Those are Brazil and Canada. hunter Dec 2023 #91

Kick! bluestarone Dec 2023 #93