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51. I commend all the jurors. They all have to sleep at night and be comfortable

Fri Oct 14, 2022, 09:52 AM

Oct 2022

with their own decisions. You can't force or pressure someone into killing someone else.

I'm generally not a fan of the death penalty because it's inhumane and our justice system is very flawed and racist. Also, the DP can be seen as the easy way out. Sure, it's probably scary and stressful before it happens, but once it happens, the executed individuals are essentially freed from having to pay for their crimes.

All of that said, I'm not going to lose sleep over clearly guilty individuals. If I were on the jury, I think my answer would be NO to the DP, although it's possible that I would be worked up into a frenzy and thirsting for revenge. It's hard to know without actually being there so I can't judge any of those jurors.

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Family Member Of Child Murdered By Cruz, Said Jury Verdict Was 11-1 In Favor Of Death [View all] SoCalDavidS Oct 2022 OP

he will have a lifetime of a tortured existance. samnsara Oct 2022 #1

So Will The Families Of His Victims SoCalDavidS Oct 2022 #2

This guy should be put to death. That would be the best closure for the families. honest.abe Oct 2022 #7

Except that it doesn't actually bring closure. Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #43

It is unfortunate the process takes so long. honest.abe Oct 2022 #48

The process takes so long because when we move faster, we murder innocent people. Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #52

15-20 years is too long. honest.abe Oct 2022 #54

You'd inthewind21 Oct 2022 #55

Yeah, but in this case there is no question of guilt. honest.abe Oct 2022 #65

So what inthewind21 Oct 2022 #72

You wrote: "if it were you tangled in that process and innocent." honest.abe Oct 2022 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Oct 2022 #56

So you're ok with the state killing innocent people. Gotcha. N/t Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #84

No. Of course not. In this case clearly the dude is guilty and deserves the death penalty. honest.abe Oct 2022 #93

You can't have it both ways. Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #95

Yes unfortunately that is the problem. honest.abe Oct 2022 #96

Unless it's you or someone you know in prison and innocent. BigDemVoter Oct 2022 #87

This guy is not innocent. He is guilty as sin and slaughtered innocent children. He admits it. honest.abe Oct 2022 #94

Yes, but allowing the death penalty to continue means an innocent person WILL be executed. BigDemVoter Oct 2022 #97

You make some good points. honest.abe Oct 2022 #99

And even the prospect of murdering ONE innocent person is too much for me. BigDemVoter Oct 2022 #86

Completely agree. Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #90

The death inthewind21 Oct 2022 #53

Yep ornotna Oct 2022 #5

Life can be short in prison for killing children. nt Samrob Oct 2022 #34

Agreed 100% BigDemVoter Oct 2022 #85

Thank god for that holdout Blues Heron Oct 2022 #3

Yeah, the families. GoodRaisin Oct 2022 #20

The verdict and sentence are proper. There is never any justice for the victim of any violence ... marble falls Oct 2022 #4

+1 mike_c Oct 2022 #21

Hard to believe 1 person can negate the will of the other other 11 juror's. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2022 #6

More likely, they were asked if they could consider the death penalty equally to life WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #10

Well atreides1 Oct 2022 #11

It does not jmowreader Oct 2022 #41

Jury decisions should always be 100% agreement. GoodRaisin Oct 2022 #24

Agreed! ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #27

Yes, we always have that happening treestar Oct 2022 #61

NYTimes is reporting 3 voted against death penalty Hamlette Oct 2022 #33

Why assume that? If they are death-qualified it does not treestar Oct 2022 #60

Maybe because it's the ultimate punishment, it has to be unanimous? BigDemVoter Oct 2022 #88

Kick. N/T Upthevibe Oct 2022 #8

That one is a brave person. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #9

I didn't see the whole thing, FoxNewsSucks Oct 2022 #12

Not quite a smirk... DET Oct 2022 #17

Lol good lord. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #19

I mean... I feel like being relieved that one isn't to be executed is fairly reasonable. Jedi Guy Oct 2022 #37

I gotta admit I'm a little disgusted at people, including the families, going after the jury. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2022 #67

Bingo inthewind21 Oct 2022 #73

Agreed BigDemVoter Oct 2022 #89

To everyone who is in favor of the death penalty: PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #13

I'm not in favor of the death penalty Buckeyeblue Oct 2022 #14

How about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? honest.abe Oct 2022 #16

Where is that in the Ten Commandments or the New Testament? yardwork Oct 2022 #44

A commandment found in the Book of Exodus 21:23-27 honest.abe Oct 2022 #47

That's the Old Testament. yardwork Oct 2022 #49

Yes of course I knew that. So what's the problem? honest.abe Oct 2022 #50

Well inthewind21 Oct 2022 #57

None specifically. honest.abe Oct 2022 #66

My faith inthewind21 Oct 2022 #78

I did answer. honest.abe Oct 2022 #80

It's not old to Jews. Mosby Oct 2022 #76

Bingo inthewind21 Oct 2022 #79

leaves the whole world blind. iemanja Oct 2022 #70

The commandment is against murder, not killing Jose Garcia Oct 2022 #22

Let's, someone murdered ends up just as dead as PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #36

It is literally against killing. Voltaire2 Oct 2022 #45

Pretty sure inthewind21 Oct 2022 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2022 #77

I know inthewind21 Oct 2022 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2022 #82

If you had actually read the stories Mariana Oct 2022 #91

Thou shall not kill is a mistranslation Mosby Oct 2022 #75

I'm against the death penalty but not for the reasons you asked Javaman Oct 2022 #83

We have a secular government. Mariana Oct 2022 #92

I think Cruz is mentally screwed up pinkstarburst Oct 2022 #15

I strongly suspect that Florida's prison system will wipe that smirk off his face. Aristus Oct 2022 #18

He will probably be kept out of the general population Jose Garcia Oct 2022 #23

If everyone who feared violent treatment from their fellow inmates Aristus Oct 2022 #25

Most prisons and jails allow inmates to request transfers to other pods/holding areas. Jedi Guy Oct 2022 #38

I'm glad not to be on juries like this one. Torchlight Oct 2022 #26

I Got Lucky In 2020 ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #31

Happens inthewind21 Oct 2022 #64

I'm not against the death penalty because I don't want scum like Cruz dead Mysterian Oct 2022 #28

the NYT is reporting a 9-3 vote mike_c Oct 2022 #29

Self delete Emile Oct 2022 #30

Why? obamanut2012 Oct 2022 #40

Because I want his life to be a living hell! Emile Oct 2022 #42

He shouldn't have a cellie. He should get the ADX Florence SHU treatment. sir pball Oct 2022 #46

No, that is wrong treestar Oct 2022 #63

It was 9-3 kcr Oct 2022 #32

I would not criticize any of those parents for wanting the DP. But in the decades that likely hlthe2b Oct 2022 #35

I don't think the death penalty is necessarily the ultimate punishment. Life would be more agonizing cherish44 Oct 2022 #39

I commend all the jurors. They all have to sleep at night and be comfortable ecstatic Oct 2022 #51

Personally I like the idea of him rotting in jail for 50 years. fescuerescue Oct 2022 #59

I'd vote for life in prison Kaleva Oct 2022 #62

Most of us would have been excluded from the jury iemanja Oct 2022 #69

I didn't know that Kaleva Oct 2022 #71

The juror has been doxxed iemanja Oct 2022 #68

how do you know? orleans Oct 2022 #98

I read it in another thread. iemanja Oct 2022 #101

Maybe one of the prisoners will take care of it. Many don't like people convicted of crimes helpisontheway Oct 2022 #100