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NickB79

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60. And? It's a modified AR-10 firing a modified .308 cartridge

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 06:10 PM

Jul 2022

AR-10's have been around for 50+ years.

The .308 Winchester/7.62x51 has been around for 70 years.

The new Sig Sauer .277 Fury, based off the .308, runs a 135 gr bullet at 3100 fps in the new military M5 rifle

Hot .308 loads run a 110-120 gr bullet at 3200 fps from an off the shelf, $1000 AR-10.

It's a round designed with one goal: to punch through Russian and Chinese next-generation ceramic armor that will currently stop 5.56mm bullets.

Hell, given how strong the bullet has to be constructed to do this (heavy jacket, steel core) it would likely be LESS lethal than a 5.56mm bullet. A FMJ 5.56mm tumbles and fragments internally, while a .277 or .308 punches a hole through and through.

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Could be the form the promised civil war takes HAB911 Jul 2022 #13

Good point duckworth969 Jul 2022 #18

The few RWNJs I have talked to the last few years HAB911 Jul 2022 #20

Aimed straight at the average gunner . . . AndyS Jul 2022 #5

Sig's civilian version of its new military rifle, chambered in .308, 6.5 Creedmore and .277 Fury, sop Jul 2022 #6

it does me Locrian Jul 2022 #12

fucking disgusting CatWoman Jul 2022 #10

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It just keeps getting more insane. patphil Jul 2022 #14

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The only think unique about it ... Straw Man Jul 2022 #68

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Freedom for people with the guns. hadEnuf Jul 2022 #41

Innocent people have to pay the price IronLionZion Jul 2022 #53

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Good point Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #31

+1, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #71

Might as well know the enemy and his equipment. ancianita Jul 2022 #22

Good to know, but these mass-murderers are usually not snipers (correct me if I am wrong) housecat Jul 2022 #24

I know. You're right. AR-15's are for ideological point-and-shoot maniacs. ancianita Jul 2022 #33

thanks for the info housecat Jul 2022 #44

Send some to Ukraine housecat Jul 2022 #27

They'd just run over to the Russians. Are you sure you know whose side they're on? Not democracy's. ancianita Jul 2022 #35

Whose side who is on? housecat Jul 2022 #42

Oops. "Some" referring to mass shooters? Or were you referring to the guns? ancianita Jul 2022 #46

I think housecat was referring to the rifles. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #62

Thank you. I am simply saying that these guns would help Ukranians eliminate Russians housecat Jul 2022 #64

I like your thinking, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #65

Exactly. Lemonade from lemons housecat Jul 2022 #74

Thx. Sorry for the mixup. ancianita Jul 2022 #69

Ancianita, please say this another way so I understand what you mean. Are guns running over to the housecat Jul 2022 #63

I mistook that you were referring to shooters, not guns. Sorry. ancianita Jul 2022 #70

No problem. Thanks for responding housecat Jul 2022 #73

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Ban them for civilians housecat Jul 2022 #26

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Mines to keep those darned Bettie Jul 2022 #57

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Biden could get Austin to do that. But it wouldn't go over well. ancianita Jul 2022 #37

Thank you for this response. tosh Jul 2022 #75

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This is not the 6.8 SPC round, though. sl8 Jul 2022 #43

Ok- I stand corrected- James48 Jul 2022 #49

Keep in mind that's the lower pressure loading and it's from a 16" barrel. sl8 Jul 2022 #54

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The reason why James48 Jul 2022 #51

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+1 Kaleva Jul 2022 #55

And? It's a modified AR-10 firing a modified .308 cartridge NickB79 Jul 2022 #60

I believe the shockwave generated by a high powered round Kaleva Jul 2022 #76

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