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George II

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57. Schumer's vote is entirely different than that vote in the House. Simple lesson on Senate procedure:
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:49 PM
Dec 2021

First, Schumer didn't vote AGAINST the Freedom to Vote Act, he voted against CLOTURE. Title of the vote:

Question: On Cloture on the Motion to Proceed (Motion to Invoke Cloture: Motion to Proceed to S. 2747 )

At first he DID vote for cloture, but at the last minute changed his vote to Nay when it was clear cloture wouldn't have been invoked. If he voted for cloture and it failed, he couldn't re-introduce the bill at a later date. Senate Majority Leaders have been doing this for decades.

If you look through all the votes this session, you'll find a number of other cloture votes for which he voted Nay. It's what they do.

On the other hand, the House doesn't hold cloture votes - they only vote for bills once and for all in the session. And for those Democrats who voted Nay on the BIF, it was one and done. No reruns like in the Senate where cloture is involved.

Plus, despite what you said above ("Just like the Squad did for both the BIF and the BBB" ), all those who voted Nay on BIF in the House voted Yea on BBB.

https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2021/roll385.xml

However, I agree with what you gloriously stated the other day, "Read it. Learn it. Live it."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16152347




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Didn't she vote against BIF? George II Dec 2021 #35
Yeah but it passed Polybius Dec 2021 #38
You don't think she would have voted against it, but you don't know either, right? George II Dec 2021 #69
Correct Polybius Dec 2021 #70
This argument is about as meaningless wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #55
Schumer's vote is entirely different than that vote in the House. Simple lesson on Senate procedure: George II Dec 2021 #57
If you need to write all that to explain your side wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #58
I'm not "explaining my side", I'm explaining how the Senate works. You said Schumer voted against... George II Dec 2021 #59
This is explaining distinctions without differences wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #60
No I'm not. Two entirely different chambers and two entirely different types/purposes of votes. George II Dec 2021 #61
And in the end, both parties voted against the things they support wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #62
Really? Tell me now, when did the Senate vote on BBB? I've been so busy I guess I missed that one. George II Dec 2021 #63
Don't you mean BIF? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #64
No. You said "And in the end, both parties voted against the things they support".... George II Dec 2021 #65
We... were talking about how the Squad voted against BIF wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #66
That was part, but not all. George II Dec 2021 #67
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Apparently she's not the only one who thinks that. Its almost always a losing proposition. oldsoftie Dec 2021 #49
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