Statement by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Polybius]

Link to tweet

[OnDoutside]

1. We'll see.... until Manchin physically gives the thumbs down, I'm

going to expect he's attention seeking as usual.

[PTWB]

13. Did you read the lengthy statement Manchin released today?

AOC is, as usual, completely and totally correct.

[OnDoutside]

15. Yes I did but we've seen this well worn path from Manchin before.

It's like he loves fucking with Democrats to extract concessions. Consequently my consistent attitude with Manchin is to wait and see which way he actually votes before coming to a judgement on him.

[UCmeNdc]

31. So far AOC has been 100% correct. She sees the political reality.

So far her instincts have been right.

[OnDoutside]

33. We'll see.

[jaxexpat]

40. It is because AOC understands GRAVITY.

Thus by use of her preternatural ability to discern which ways up vs down she sees through the charade of fuddy-duddyness which cloaks our government. A valuable asset is our AOC. Ignore her wisdom at your peril.

[radius777]

41. Agree, AOC is a streetfighter,

the future belongs to Dems like her who fight for the real base of the Dem party. It's not about leftist vs centrist, but about who will fight when it counts. Remember there are many centrist Dems not standing in the way like Manchin/Sinema do. You rarely hear about Tester or Hickenlooper or many others. It's just these two FoxNews Dems who want attention ... please me please me please me .. and think they are more powerful than the president we the people elected with 81 million votes Joe Biden.

[elleng]

56. Yes

[Glaisne]

46. He said he's voting no.

So why bring it to the floor to vote if it won't pass? There won't be a vote.

[OnDoutside]

54. He says a lot of things, and I bet he's loving the collective freakout.

[Paladin]

71. Well...Just as long as we're making him happy... (nt)

[madaboutharry]

2. "I told you so" statements are gratuitous and self-aggrandizing.

Statements like this accomplish nothing.

I could find some respect for her if she actually offered ideas on how to move forward.

[Autumn]

3. Yeah the truth sometimes hurts and disappoints people. nt

[madaboutharry]

5. I think you missed my point.

They accomplish nothing, even if there is truth in it.

[CrackityJones75]

8. Exactly!

[Autumn]

10. Nope, I didn't miss your point. It was clear as a bell and about the size of a barn. nt

[Celerity]

28. yep

[Tribetime]

48. I think you missed the point

To me that's the same argument as we cannot talk about a school shooting right after the shooting that would politicize to me it's kind of the same response.. if not now then when is the right time

[quakerboy]

50. Much better to pretend all is well

And assume the next thing will work out all peachy keen, regardless of what the past might teach us.

[Polybius]

6. Sometimes you have to remind them

I remember arguing with a poster who was kinda nasty about the Virginia elections. He basically said that I was a fool for believing polls that Glenn Youngkin was gonna win, and how I was a slave to fake news designed to make Democrats look bad. He even sarcastically said "thank you for your concern." I went in a few days later to remind him. No reply, no apology.

[Walleye]

7. I agree. It's easy to criticize. Hard to solve problems

[jalan48]

9. Same with Hillary's ongoing pronouncements?

[Autumn]

11. That's different. nt

[jalan48]

14. LOL-it definitely is on here.

[Budi]

16. K & R consider her Congressional voting record, not impressive.

Nothing says He'd have voted on it if it was presented as the entire bill either.

Why would he have voted on it then if he STILL won't?
Not sure what she's claiming credit for.
Manchin didn't want the BBB in the 1st place.

But thanks for refusing to vote yes on the one thing that was certain, and we now have. BIF.
But lets just forget that anymore.
New spin day.

Manchin didn't want BBB then & he doesn't want iit now.
THAT's why BIF was voted on alone. The Senate had already approved that part.

MANCHIN WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR EITHER IF THE WHOLE PACKAGE WOULD HAVE BEEN SENT TOGETHER.

I have no idea why she's claiming credit for any of this.
Manchin wasn't going to vote for BBB ever. Together with BIF or not.




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[Walleye]

26. Agree

[TheFarseer]

17. The move forward is

Next time we are negotiating something, don’t give Manchin everything he wants and then try to negotiate. It’s kind of too late to go forward on Bbb.

[comradebillyboy]

19. Yes. I don't expect anything constructive from her. nt

[Cha]

24. Exactly.

[berni_mccoy]

37. Not. Cha, you're lost. Find you're way back.

You’re better than just a cheerleader

[Diablo del sol]

32. A bit confused on your reply

She is doing what she feels is right for her constituents and country.

There is no evidence that she takes money or her vote can be bought.

She negotiated down from original requests

She was then told things needed to be broken up to keep two Senators happy.

Response was, her and her squad were being unrealistic and selfish

Manchin runs to the enemy to backstab the President and all Democrats

She responds and it is I told you so and unhelpful

Is that correct?

[Progressive Jones]

68. Thank You. nt

[berni_mccoy]

36. The truth fucking hurts don't it?

[Politicub]

45. Her statement is not just an "I told you so."

She’s telling the truth: demanding that the senate pass the BBB bill was the only leverage that progressives had. We squandered it.

AOC is right. Manchin is not trustworthy, and he rubs his Maserati-propelled ass in our faces with his Fox News circle-jerk tour.

[Alpeduez21]

52. APC has not offered any ideas

And brought nothing to the table?!?!?! SMH 🤦‍♂️

[TexasTowelie]

53. +1

Her statement may come back to haunt her.

[lame54]

4. I told you so...

Is reserved for when something actually happens

Joe Manchin might have gone on Fox and rat-fucked us out of both bills

[malaise]

12. Well said sister

[pecosbob]

21. "Our entire democracy is on the line. So we need to get back in there & get this sh*t done. Period."

[Mr.Bill]

18. If every Democrat in the House

voted like the Squad, Manchin would be doing exactly what he is doing now, and we would have no infrastructure bill passed at all. The entire Squad has one one thousanth of the power Manchin has now. Sorry, but that's the numerical reality. And he knows it and doesn't give a fuck what the Squad does.

[comradebillyboy]

20. Sad but true...

[Budi]

22. Thank you. They didn't want the infrastructure bill & Manchin didn't want BBB.

So here is where we stop.

They spent the entire summer kicking the old can down the road & stalling it out.
Anything to tank Biden's popularity.

Thats what this shitshow is really about.
.

[Cha]

25. Yeah, No applause

from me.

[Nixie]

47. Seriously! Manchin has outgrandstanded the grandstanders.

If anything, they just tee'd him up. What a shame.

[pwb]

23. Manchin thought trump would win and he would be trumps democrat.

Now he looks like a fool. He is a puke for sure. He lies.

[Walleye]

27. He is Lindsey Graham's new best friend

[monkeyman1]

42. yepper , dumb & dumber !!

[DLevine]

29. K&R

[wellst0nev0ter]

30. Varying forms of this argument

Is getting a real workout in this thread without a hint of irony:

Link to tweet

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[LowerManhattanite]

43. THIS! It's happening here on DU as we speak!

The “we have to give him a chance” brigade is now fully in on the “well, what did you expect” sh*t.

Joe Lieberman is somewhere grinning his funhouse sign grin over this sh*t.

[berni_mccoy]

34. It's always the Same People

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216162058

[George II]

35. Didn't she vote against BIF?

[Polybius]

38. Yeah but it passed

I don't think she would have voted against it if her vote mattered.

[George II]

69. You don't think she would have voted against it, but you don't know either, right?

[Polybius]

70. Correct

I wish I did know. It's just what I think. I could be wrong

[wellst0nev0ter]

55. This argument is about as meaningless

As claiming Schumer voted against the Freedom to Vote Act because he was against voting rights

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1171/vote_117_1_00420.htm

Everybody knows he voted against it so that he can vote on it later. Just like the Squad did for both the BIF and the BBB.

[George II]

57. Schumer's vote is entirely different than that vote in the House. Simple lesson on Senate procedure:

First, Schumer didn't vote AGAINST the Freedom to Vote Act, he voted against CLOTURE. Title of the vote:

Question: On Cloture on the Motion to Proceed (Motion to Invoke Cloture: Motion to Proceed to S. 2747 )

At first he DID vote for cloture, but at the last minute changed his vote to Nay when it was clear cloture wouldn't have been invoked. If he voted for cloture and it failed, he couldn't re-introduce the bill at a later date. Senate Majority Leaders have been doing this for decades.

If you look through all the votes this session, you'll find a number of other cloture votes for which he voted Nay. It's what they do.

On the other hand, the House doesn't hold cloture votes - they only vote for bills once and for all in the session. And for those Democrats who voted Nay on the BIF, it was one and done. No reruns like in the Senate where cloture is involved.

Plus, despite what you said above ("Just like the Squad did for both the BIF and the BBB" ), all those who voted Nay on BIF in the House voted Yea on BBB.

https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2021/roll385.xml

However, I agree with what you gloriously stated the other day, "Read it. Learn it. Live it."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16152347

[wellst0nev0ter]

58. If you need to write all that to explain your side

You've already lost the argument.

[George II]

59. I'm not "explaining my side", I'm explaining how the Senate works. You said Schumer voted against...

...the bill, but he didn't. He voted against cloture. I hope you appreciate the difference now.

It's not an "argument", it's a statement of fact and procedure.

[wellst0nev0ter]

60. This is explaining distinctions without differences

You know perfectly well the Squad was not against BIF in itself, but continue to insinuate that falsehood constantly, which would be like claiming Chuck Schumer is against voting rights.

[George II]

61. No I'm not. Two entirely different chambers and two entirely different types/purposes of votes.

[wellst0nev0ter]

62. And in the end, both parties voted against the things they support

See how "distinctions without differences" work?

[George II]

63. Really? Tell me now, when did the Senate vote on BBB? I've been so busy I guess I missed that one.

[wellst0nev0ter]

64. Don't you mean BIF?

[George II]

65. No. You said "And in the end, both parties voted against the things they support"....

The House voted for BIF, it passed
The Senate voted for BIF, it passed

The House voted for BBB, it passed
The Senate hasn't voted on BBB yet

So who voted against things they support?

[wellst0nev0ter]

66. We... were talking about how the Squad voted against BIF

Right?

[George II]

67. That was part, but not all.

[AlexSFCA]

39. Does AOC think not passing anything is better than passing 1.75T infrastructure bill

She is not a senate material, maybe after she gets more experience in congress if she is willing to learn from those who get stuff done.

[oldsoftie]

49. Apparently she's not the only one who thinks that. Its almost always a losing proposition.

The Freedumb Caucus is also a "never compromise" group.

I dont know when it became a requirement that multiple bills have to pass together for anything to be passed.

[ashredux]

44. Well....it apparently it is actually all about the Benjamin's for Joe Manchin

[bringthePaine]

51. refuKKKchickenz are ALL grifters! no more questions...