SCHOLARS wanted: Homeless death rate: got 6 articles, but online? poss not

[oscar111]

some likely not online.

I think the BEST single stat we can use to persuade folks to vote an end to homelessness... is the stat showing they die at a rate well beyond the normal. Nothing less seems to wake people up.

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HOMELESS SITES DO NOT HAVE THE STAT. NOT EVEN THE NCH FACT SHEETS
--- i have not found it at hmlss sites. Guess they are not as focused on debate as i am.

Scholars and students, can you please find these articles, and report back to this thread {or Private Message me via DU}...

what you find to be the death rate in each article?

IS 3 TIMES NORMAL, ACCURATE?
I recall a rate of 3 X normal in Boston, from years ago. Might be wrong memory... so to sharpen up our stats, please help me get the info out of these articles!

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DEMOPEDIA PAGE ON HMLS NEEDED
PRONTO!
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And please someone create a "stub page" with the title Homeless, in Demopedia {link , top of every DU page}. Glitch prevents me from starting new pages.
But i CAN add to one.

SUMMARY:
what i want is the death rate mentioned in each journal article. Be sure to say which article you are talking about.
Overall death rate if given, and for subpopulations if that is all they give.
---Just do one art. if you are short on time.

Thanks on behalf of the one million on the street tonight.

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12. Barrow SM, Herman DB, Cordova P, Struening EL. Mortality among homeless shelter residents in New York City. American Journal of Public Health. 1999;89(4):529-34.

43. Cuddy R. Anonymous demise: mortality in the homeless. Journal of Emergency Medicine. 1997;15(3):373-4.

88. Hibbs JR, Benner L, Klugman L, et al. Mortality in a cohort of homeless adults in Philadelphia {see comments}. New England Journal of Medicine. 1994;331(5):304-9.
PS i dont know what "{see comments}" is all about.

92. Hwang SW. Mortality among men using homeless shelters in Toronto, Ontario. JAMA. 2000;283(16):2152-2157.
{this article is the least important, since RW challengers will say "that's not america, not relevant"}.

93. Hwang SW, Lebow JM, Bierer MF, OConnell JJ, Orav EJ, Brennan TA. Risk factors for death in homeless adults in Boston. Archives of Internal Medicine. 1998;158(13):1454-60.

94. Hwang SW, Orav EJ, OConnell JJ, Lebow JM, Brennan TA. Causes of death in homeless adults in Boston. Annals of Internal Medicine. 1997;126(8):625-8.

[Erika]

1. You're gutsy and I like that

This administration will not collect stats on the homeless dying. They've already said that. They've said it's a state issue.

[oscar111]

2. Thanks! what you said of this admin reminds me of Nixon ending a natl

survey on hunger back ... was it the late sixties? But several states nontheless had been finished up, and their data was put out to the public.

Joke , but true... Nixon impounded Congress-approved funds for research on cures for mental illness... which surely he was in great need of. LOL.

and thanks for the good comments.

[Systematic Chaos]

3. I did all kinds of searches for a little while, and found almost nothing.

I found a couple of articles that mentioned death rates that were 3 - 5 times higher, but no specifics and generally they were in reference to a single city or studies from as far back as the late 70's. I live in one of the worst bastions of homelessness in the whole country (Las Vegas), and it scares the living daylights out of me.

Excuse the aside, but I'm getting tired and ready for bed and my mind starts to wander into stream-of-consciousness mode late at night. But anyway, I've already made up my mind that if my wife and I end up out in the street, we will take our last $150 (or beg for it over the course of a few days if need be) and go by Greyhound bus or just fucking hitchhike to some town with a population around 5 - 10k, in a climate that's not too harsh overall. Once there, we will bug the residents for a chance to work and a roof until we either get it or get lynched. I will NEVER spend any length of time homeless in a major city. NEVER.

On edit: I, too, have tremendous respect for what you are doing. Ya know, maybe the DU Activist Corps could start up a campaign to demand that records on this tragedy ARE kept and compiled in a way that will yield some real numbers. It doesn't seem like it's gonna happen all by itself. :(

[oscar111]

5. Gentle: did you do your topic searches just now or a while back?

my post was not to get more references, but to get the data from within the six articles i listed.

But thanks for the figure you named, three to five times higher. That confirms what i recall.. three.

and surely i hope you dont have to deal with hmlssness. I hope no one does, ever again. It is still hard to impossible for me to believe americans have ok'ed this insane policy.

and , thanks for giving us the tip of a small town locale for street living. I feel you are right about that.

[Up2Late]

4. I don't know if this is what you are looking for , but here are 2 recent

news items that might help:

<http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/07/20/heat.wave.ap/>

<http://staging.hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEATH_ON_THE_STREETS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-07-24-03-31-16>

Also, you might use the words "Union Mission" and "Salvation Army" in you searches, both of those groups do a lot of work with the homeless.

Also, the VA does too.

[oscar111]

6. Up2, thanks. PS your sig

photo of "panchen" is too small to read. Poss you might tell all what it is all about in a sentence... lots of room for words in a sig... eg, look at mine.. loooong.

[oscar111]

7. SCHOLARS: i HAVE the articles, just need you to read them in library and

tell us all what each of the 6 articles says about death rates.

i cant get to a college library, and i doubt these are online.. and i short on time even if online.

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not looking for new articles. Unless they are handy already and you see they are right on the money with death rate data.

just need helpers to read the articles i already plucked from an online long bibliography.

Oft hard to impossible to find Journal articles free online.

the 6 art's i found are in the OP
i thank you and the nameless million homeless thank you.
Let's "bring them in"!

[oscar111]

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[oscar111]

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[oscar111]

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[AirAmFan]

13. Have you explored some of the lesser known research tools that might

have what you're looking for? Sounds as though you major keywords are "homeless" and "mortality".

Google has some specialized search engines they don't document very well.

http://www.google.com/unclesam trawls governement websites; and

http://scholar.google.com/schhp?sourceid=sch&subid=US-E... is "Google Scholar".

Mortality studies are a staple of clinics, including clinics that specialize in serving the homeless. The citations you've found so far seem to fit that description.

MEDLINE (at http://medlineplus.gov / ) will get you more citations, although not necessarily access to online medical journals with the articles you want.

Do you or does anyone in your circle have a New York Public Library card number? That will get you into many subscription databases and scholarly journal archives, at http://www.nypl.org/databases . The "From Home" list is available online to any computer with a browser. The other databases require you to go to a PC connected directly to the NYPL.

Government statistics are mostly based on the "Current Population Survey" each month, which is based on households that live at fixed addresses. Single men moving from place to place generally are missed by organized government surveys, though there have been periodic attempts at special surveys. A sociologist named Christopher Jencks is likely considered one of the leading experts on homelessness. He's written many articles and at least one book on the homeless.

Good luck!

[AirAmFan]

14. Also, have you googled the titles of the articles, and the names of the authors?

Often, access to a journal may be difficult, but exactly the same article you're seeking is available for free on an author's homepage, or in pre-publication "working papers" at a university.

[EFerrari]

15. Kick this

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oscar, I can work this early this coming week.

thank you for your work.

Beth

[EFerrari]

16. and another little

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[gorbal]

17. here is an on-line vid full of stats

http://www.guerrillanews.com/videos/16/Drug_War_Reality_Tour

recheck them of course. And United for a Fair Economy has tons of great teaching materiels. http://www.faireconomy.org/

[oscar111]

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