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txlibdem
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Sat Jul-30-11 02:55 PM Original message |
Computer science: why are computer operating systems built to be so vulnerable |
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msongs
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Sat Jul-30-11 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. you have the right idea. start a company and sell great stuff :-) nt |
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Cronus Protagonist
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. lol |
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napoleon_in_rags
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. Easter eggs! |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Try a Linux live CD and then come back to us... |
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napoleon_in_rags
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I use Ubuntu Linux |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Have you tried a Live (bootable) CD approach |
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txlibdem
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Good suggestion |
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napoleon_in_rags
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Sat Jul-30-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Yes I have...They are also a god send if something screws up. |
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itsrobert
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. Money |
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MineralMan
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's a balance between security and usability, I'm pretty sure. |
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slackmaster
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Too much automation, too many cool bells and whistles |
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ProgressiveProfessor
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. You might want to start with understanding the concepts behind Von Neuman architecture |
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txlibdem
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Sat Jul-30-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Not locked up like an iPhone, that's been hacked already ;-) |
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Speck Tater
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Sat Jul-30-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. If everything was built into the operating system... |
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txlibdem
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Sat Jul-30-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. You didn't read the last paragraph of my post |
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Speck Tater
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Sat Jul-30-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. hehe. And the cure to cancer is to just take out the cancerous cells. |
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txlibdem
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Sun Jul-31-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. A design that's more than vague generalities |
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Speck Tater
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Sun Jul-31-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. This reminds me of something... |
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txlibdem
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Your post shows zero intent to hold an honest discussion on the topic |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Perhaps you should look up what an operating system is |
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txlibdem
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Perhaps you should look up what an Operating System should *not* be |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. No, really, it would help if you read something about the basics of computing |
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txlibdem
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Sun Jul-31-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Muriel, please go back and *read* post #7. It most assuredly DOES NOT agree with you. |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Mon Aug-01-11 04:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. OK, let's look at post #7: |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Memory failure on my part, sorry. I meant post #14, which is my reply to post #7 |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Mon Aug-01-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Pointing out that programs people use are not part of the OS is not 'childish' |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Your ridiculous "do you want to help the Russian mafia? Huh? Huh?" question is a strawman. |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Mon Aug-01-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. It's the last paragraph of #14 that is the problem with your idea |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. My, oh my. You are trying sooo hard to be obtuse |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Mon Aug-01-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. You're wrong. You are way out of your depth |
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Speck Tater
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Mon Aug-01-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. About 20 years ago I taught a freshman class in software engineering at Cal State Univ. |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I've had teachers like you who think you know everything and no other thoughts are possible... |
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Speck Tater
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Tue Aug-02-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha |
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Speck Tater
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Tue Aug-02-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha |
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txlibdem
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Tue Aug-02-11 06:46 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Gawd, I wish we could have had an intelligent discussion on this topic |
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trotsky
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Wed Aug-03-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Here, this is all you really needed: |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. If you say I haven't hit a nerve then I'll take your word for it... |
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Speck Tater
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Sun Jul-31-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Before we can discuss the problem we need to agree on the cause of the problem. |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Sheesh! So now you won't even admit that the problem is systematic |
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Speck Tater
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Mon Aug-01-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It ain't what you don't know, it's what you think you know that ain't so. I give up. nt |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I agree: it's like talking to a stone wall |
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Speck Tater
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Mon Aug-01-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. One final remark... |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. See post #4. ITSROBERT nailed it: M.O.N.E.Y. |
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Speck Tater
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Mon Aug-01-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. You win/ You're smarter than me. I bow to your superior wisdom an insight. nt |
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sudopod
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Thu Aug-18-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #50 |
86. You gave it the ol college try. *backslap* |
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sudopod
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Thu Aug-18-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #50 |
87. You gave it the ol college try. *backslap* |
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Confusious
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Tue Aug-02-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. If there are no upgrades |
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txlibdem
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Wed Aug-03-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. You seem to know a lot about software updates. Pray tell, what are the majority of updates for? |
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Confusious
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Thu Aug-04-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. One big flaw in your idea there |
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txlibdem
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Thu Aug-04-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. That's a strawman argument if ever I heard one |
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laconicsax
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Thu Aug-04-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. It's a secret conspiracy. |
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txlibdem
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Thu Aug-04-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Thanks for the comedy relief! |
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Confusious
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Thu Aug-04-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. After reviewing some of your posts |
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txlibdem
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Fri Aug-05-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Repeating the argument from Spec Tater in post #18, see post #20. |
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sudopod
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Thu Aug-18-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
85. I can see that you are clearly management material. nt |
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bananas
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. That's a good analogy. |
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Deleted message |
Occulus
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Sat Jul-30-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I'll be more blunt. |
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txlibdem
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Sun Jul-31-11 07:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You are joking, right? What is your point, exactly. |
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Ready4Change
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Sun Jul-31-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. No, Don't stop. |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Thank you for the encouraging words |
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bananas
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Sat Aug-06-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
71. That's another good analogy |
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caraher
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:01 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Amen |
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txlibdem
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Tue Aug-09-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Logical systems cannot be "airtight" in the way that one might imagine |
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caraher
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Tue Aug-09-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Are you familiar with Goedel's Theorem? |
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txlibdem
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Tue Aug-09-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Everybody's got a theory that removes blame for their failure or lack of vision |
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bananas
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Wed Aug-17-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Now there's a very interesting analogy - Creationists say evolution is "just a theory" |
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caraher
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Tue Aug-09-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Let me ask a question... |
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txlibdem
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Tue Aug-09-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I've answered your question, posed by another poster, not into infinite repitition |
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caraher
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Wed Aug-10-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. The difficulty is *pure* logic |
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txlibdem
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Wed Aug-10-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Using your analogy, *you* are the climate denier |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Sat Aug-20-11 06:42 AM Response to Reply #79 |
88. "the CEO, the VP(s) and Department Heads...where the rules of a program or OS are set" |
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bananas
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Sun Jul-31-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. That's not called an "operating system", it's called an "appliance". |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I recall a certain multi-billionaire who said the computer *needs* to evolve into an appliance |
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Speck Tater
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. As a retired software engineer, that idea just can't work. |
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txlibdem
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Sat Jul-30-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. See my reply to post #7, hate to type all that out again |
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bananas
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
24. Microsoft tried that with Windows NT |
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Nihil
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Fri Aug-12-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
82. I was surprised ... |
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caraher
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Fri Aug-12-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I liked VMS |
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Ready4Change
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
29. Gray zones. |
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txlibdem
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Mon Aug-01-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. That's kinda my point |
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laconicsax
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Wed Aug-03-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
60. This thread is great! |
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txlibdem
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Thu Aug-04-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. :-) |
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sofa king
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Thu Aug-04-11 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
66. One partial solution: revert to original state. |
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Riftaxe
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Fri Aug-05-11 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
69. expandability is the reason, and as someone who |
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txlibdem
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Sat Aug-06-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I don't disagree |
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HysteryDiagnosis
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Sat Aug-06-11 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
72. Run linux Live CD..... you cannot corrupt what you cannot write to, on the other hand |
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bananas
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Sun Aug-07-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. You can still get a virus |
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steve2470
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Sat Aug-20-11 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
89. As someone who has used Windoze for 18 years and Linux distros on and off for 7 years... |
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