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Godhumor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 02:49 PM
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Morgellon's Disease looks to be, well, quackery inspired
For those who have never heard of it, Morgellon's Disease is a supposed condition where microscopic parasites live in the skin that cause the need for constant itching. There is a condition called Delusional Parasitosis, or the irrational belief that you have parasites living in you, that produces the exact same symptons, but the Morgellon advocates insist they're actually two distinct issues. A number of "experts" (whom you can read about in the link) have made part or all of their career in working with Morgellon's.

Anyway, it turns out it is easy to test for parasitic infections, and that's exactly what some researchers did (From Scienceblogs.com http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/05/still_more_evidence_that_morgellons_dise.php#more ) :

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Basically, out of the 80 cases of patients who underwent skin biopsy, Hylwa et al found not a single patient had objective evidence of parasite infestation on skin biopsy, although 61% did reveal dermatitis, including 33 cases of chronic dermatitis, 10 cases of subacute, and 6 cases of lichen simplex chronicus. This last diagnosis is a thickening of the skin with scaling that arises secondary to repetitive rubbing or scratching. In actuality, I'm rather surprised that only 60% of biopsies showed this result; I would have expected it to be higher. I am not surprised that the skin biopsies were in essence nondiagnostic. A number of patients had skin cultures. These, too, were all nondiagnostic, being either negative or yielding common contaminating organisms that couldn't possibly account for the patients' symptoms.

Also not unexpected are the results of examinations of patient-provided specimens. These were examined by dermatologists, pathologists, tropical medicine specialists, internal medicine doctors, psychiatry, or infectious disease physicians like Dr. Crislip. Most commonly, they were found to be skin flakes or serum crust, hair, or textile fibers. There were a couple of insects found among the specimens. One of them was interesting in that it was an actual parasite, specifically a pubic louse, but physical examination showed no evidence of infestation. Another patient brought in a tick, but the clinical judgment of the practitioners was that the tick could not account for the patient's symptoms. The bottom line is that none of the patient-provided specimens resulted in any useful information other than that the patient did not have parasites. Consistent with the scientific literature on Morgellons disease, they were nothing consistent with a diagnosis of parasite infestation.

The authors point out that this is to the best of their knowledge the first study that addressed the histological analysis of skin biopsies and patient-provided specimens in a relatively large number of patients. They also note, as you would expect, that this is a retrospective study, and thus prone to all the shortcomings of retrospective studies, including the potential for incomplete information and bias. One aspect that the investigators mention that isn't really a bug (if you'll excuse the term) but a feature is that the patients had "disparate characteristics, with an array of presentations." That's pretty much the definition of Morgellons; it consists of an array of nonspecific symptoms that focus around the belief that something has infested the skin, be it parasites or some sort of inanimate contaminants, and disparate presentations would be expected. Be that as it may, the authors ended up concluding that examination of patient-provided specimens and skin biopsies showed no evidence of infestation, although they did frequently show evidence of dermatitis. Unfortunately, this is a nonspecific finding; it's also difficult to figure out whether the dermatitis is a cause of the sensation of infestation or occurs as a result of it and the scratching and rubbing that such patients engage in.

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One thing that is sure. The promotion of Morgellons disease as a distinct disease, primarily by means of Internet-fueled advocacy and old-fashioned conspiracy mongering. What these patients need is the application of science and science-based medicine to their problem, not the various quack nostrums sold to them by practitioners who are either unscrupulous or themselves share the delusion. This study adds to our knowledge by providing yet more evidence that there is rarely, if ever, a documented parasitic infestation in these patients.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 02:53 PM
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1. That completely discounts the pioneering work of this noted researcher:
Edited on Tue May-24-11 02:54 PM by Warren DeMontague
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 02:58 PM
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2. I knew it was bunk when none of the sites had an analysis
of the "hair like fibers" that protruded from itching wounds of sufferers.

I have to admit that the first thought that crossed my mind in quick succession to that was "coke bugs."
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Godhumor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:16 PM
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4. Yes, the mysterious fibers. Shame we can actually, you know, study them
Love that they're consistent with normal fabric fibers--who would have guessed?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:16 PM
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3. Recommend
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:32 PM
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5. I figured as much, and also figured that many of the "sufferers" were
batshit insane or druggies.

I fully expect the crazies on talk radio who follow George Noory's every word will, along with him, maintain that scientists are conspiring to cover up the existence of this disease.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:34 PM
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6. This just in; tweakers are nuts! nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:40 PM
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7. Wow. People diagnosed themselves incorrectly.
Imagine that.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:43 PM
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8. Unrecommend
Edited on Tue May-24-11 03:44 PM by End Of The Road
Dr. Gorski (aka Orac), the author of the blog, is not a credible source of info on much of anything, let alone Morgellons.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:47 PM
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9. Really? How about the Mayo Clinic?
I guess they're not credible, either?
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:00 PM
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14. Ha! Like an Irish county or a condiment know anything about The Truth(tm)
That it's in Rochester, Minn just shows how wrong they are!!!1!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:49 PM
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10. Yeah, most people who don't like things such as facts and evidence...
...don't care too much for Orac, either.
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Godhumor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:51 PM
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11. Orac cites the Mayo Clinic report, which the first 3 paragraphs of my excerpt are from
And a skin biopsy is a really easy way to actually check for microbes.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:00 PM
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15. Yes, BUT
I have all due respect for Mayo. Their study, however, was specifically looking for parasites. No parasites were found. No problem with that here.

The Mayo study was not looking for a cause other than parasites, to the best of my knowledge.

Could it be something else, besides delusion? Maybe... and there are some credible researchers out there who are willing to entertain that not all of the 15,000 U.S. Morgellon's "sufferers" are delusional.

What ticked me off about Orac was his "quackery inspired" comment. Anything that does not coincide 100% with Orac's OPINION is quackery. I'm glad he's not my doctor.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:04 PM
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18. Let's cut to the chase. What is it that it's actually supposed to be?
I'm curious.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:44 PM
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22. Shit if I know.
Truly, I have no expertise in this area, but I've read about it for a number of years and it's difficult for me to write it all off as delusion. It may be related to Lyme disease, and Lyme drugs/treatment have had some positive effects for some. Other researchers (Oklahoma State has, or used to have, a pharmacology prof dedicated to Morgellon's) think it has a link to a plant organism in the soil. Analyses of the fibers growing out of the skin seem to indicate that they are not from blankets, clothes, car seats, etc.

It also seems to be relatively common (relative is the operative word here, since Morgellon's is NOT common) among nurses. Nurses are scientifically trained. Objective. So they're not like the crazy cat lady down the street. Could it be stress-induced, like some other skin conditions?

Fibromyalgia didn't used to exist, and sufferers were sent to the mental health clinic. Fibromyalgia is now known to be related to nerves in the muscle fascia (gee, I hope I got that right) -- at any rate, it's recognized now as not being delusional.

I'm keeping an open mind on this one. Mayo has proved it's not parasites. I'm fine with that. But Orac's opinion that it is quackery inspired bugged me. Until more studies are done, I'm going with "skin condition of unknown etiology."
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:38 AM
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23. I guess the good news is, the Mayo Clinic has taken it seriously enough to look into it.
Not much more, I would think, people could ask.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:05 PM
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25. It could be environmental toxins.
I'm not saying I believe in Morgellons, but ruling out parasites doesn't automatically mean its woo either.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:19 PM
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21. Bullshit
What is your expertise?

He's particular good at debunking all kinds of woo, especially that of the anti-vaccine, er, pro-infectious disease variety.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:55 PM
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12. You'd think they'd do animal studies first...

...if they find any animals that think they have it.
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Godhumor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 03:57 PM
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13. Dog's fleas proves the existance of Morgellon's!
Well, maybe not, but I'm sure it could be stretched, heh.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:03 PM
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16. Blanket fibers prove the existence of Morgellon's! So does hypochondria and attention-seeking
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greenbird Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:09 PM
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17. Joni Mitchell supposedly has this disease.
This is very interesting.
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IcyPeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:44 PM
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26. she had polio as a youngster - wonder if there's a correlation
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:06 PM
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19. Perhaps this is akin to fibromyalgia? But effecting nerve endings in skin? Inflammatory?
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:15 PM
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20. It sound similar to scabies. And you're making me all itchy.
;)
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Mark Baker Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:12 PM
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24. There was a good article about it in the Guardian a couple of weeks ago
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:44 PM
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27. Everybody knows that chemtrails cause Morgellon's, Orac is full of shit!
:sarcasm:
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