cherokeeprogressive
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Sun Oct-23-11 08:29 PM
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So how bad was Tebow today? Here are the QB ratings for today's games: |
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Doesn't really look like he had such a bad day.
Shaub Hou 147.7 Rodgers GB 146.5 Newton Car 127.5 Roethlisberger Pitt 121.8 Romo Dal 107.3 Moore Mia 92.6 Tebow Den 91.7 Sanchez NYJ 87.1 Kolb Ari 86.9 Beck Was 80.8 Stafford Det 75.4 Feeley StL 64.7 Ryan Atl 63.1 Cutler Chi 60.2 Ponder Min 59.2 McCoy Cle 59 Rivers SD 51.4 Freeman TB 51.4 Hasselbeck Ten 38.8 Cassel KC 38.3 Whitehurst Sea 35 Boller Oak 22.3 Palmer Oak 17.3
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Sun Oct-23-11 09:30 PM
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1. Did you watch the game? |
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He had 45 yards with 7 minutes left to play. He was wildly inaccurate ....looked lost in th pocket. Thank God he was playing the 0-6 Phins who fold like a cheap lawn chair.
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Sun Oct-23-11 09:50 PM
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2. I don't give much weight to QB rating, personally |
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He played great from midway through the 4th quarter. He played quite poorly before that--made several very bad throws and was averaging probably less than four yards per attempt. By the end of the game he was still under 50% completion percentage. He did run for 65 yards, but was also sacked seven times. (Miami's defense had eight sacks this entire season before today.) And he was playing a defense that is far from stellar. Miami is in the bottom third for basically every passing defense statistic. Tebow may have had a 91.7 QB rating, but up until this week the rating for Miami's opposing QBs was 100+.
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Mon Oct-24-11 04:48 AM
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10. Then I Question The Original List |
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Yards per attempt and completion percentage are so heavily waited in the QBR number that i have a hard time believing he is a 90. Cutler gets a 60 after beating a much better team because he throws two interceptions, but has a higher completion percentage, higher yards per attempt and threw for a touchdown?
There is something clearly wrong with a measurement system that has these two performances rated so differently.
Also, he didn't play GREAT in the last 8th of the game. He got two VERY good catches by receivers and the idiot Dolphins playing a soft defense with a "spy" who couldn't tackle my wife. If they're behind by 15 points to the Lions in their next game, they're toast. He's not coming back against that defense.
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Mon Oct-24-11 01:10 PM
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13. amazingly, the numbers are correct |
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at least they are for Cutler and Tebow--I ran the numbers out of curiosity after seeing your post. TDs and (especially) interceptions are weighted quite heavily in the NFL's passer rating, which is why Cutler (.03125 TD/a and .0625 int/a) is so much lower than Tebow (.074 and 0). To illustrate how much interceptions and TDs are rated, a QB who threw 8 times and only completed one pass for a one yard touchdown but had no interceptions would have a QB rating of 79.2. That's because they would have the maximum points awarded for TD/attempt (it maxes out somewhere around a TD every 8.5 throws) and int/att.
I don't disagree with you that much of Tebow's performance in the last part of the game was due to the Dolphin defense, and he doesn't make that comeback against a good defense. More importantly, if he plays like he did in the first 7/8 of the game against the Lions, the team will be down a helluva lot more than 15. In addition to several wildly errant throws, he also had a couple of passes that should have been picked off. (But the Dolphins only have two interceptions all year.)
Still, on the two touchdown drives he was 9/13 for 91 yards and two touchdowns. Good by any measure. He benefited from some great catches, sure (rare is the good QB who doesn't), but there was also at least one dropped ball. (Rare is the QB who doesn't have to deal with that.) And he also made a couple of really good throws into rather tight windows, which was all the more shocking considering how bizarrely bad some of the reads and throws had been earlier in the game.
I'm a Broncos fan, but I was not one of the ones clamoring for Tebow to start. I thought it was a mistake to draft him in the first place. I don't think he'll ever be a top NFL QB. Still, I think he clearly plays better when the reins are off a bit. He's not remotely in Elway's class, but yesterday did remind me a little bit about the pattern of many Broncos games in the mid-late 1980s, where he Elway would be hampered by a conservative offense until the fourth quarter when--now let loose because there was no other choice--he would engineer an impressive comeback. Yesterday's comeback was nice, and I was happy to see the win. But, alas, I don't think it's a sign of things to come.
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Tue Oct-25-11 12:35 AM
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15. You don't see a lot of asterisks in Box Scores notating things like "very good catches". |
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If the ball wasn't catchable, it wouldn't have been caught.
No asterisks for home-run hitters that say things like "16 balls caught on the warning track", or "would have run for over 200 yards if the QB hadn't fumbled a snap" for tailbacks.
No asterisk in the W column for "winning ugly".
No bonus for winning a NASCAR race at Martinsville for winning in a car that goes unmarked for 500 miles.
Just a number in the WIN column. Imagine that. OH, and Timmy's FIRST start?? The longest touchdown run for a rookie QB in his first start in NFL history. Third QB in HISTORY to have a TD toss of 30 or more yards and touchdown run of 40 or more yards in the same game, rookie or not. His first career WIN? 308 yards passing with one TD and a rushing TD to boot after being on the short end of a 17-0 halftime score. Been selected Rookie of the Week twice.
Seriously, I hope he DOES change his number to 3:16 after it's discovered that his girlfriend had an abortion at Olive Garden admininstered by a cigar smoking pit bull while being observed by a group of obese breast-feeding Nuns talking on cellphones; just so most people won't even be able to see him play, because the red tinge in their vision won't allow them to see any part of the game past the player introductions.
Get over that shit already.
I bet no one here remembers hearing Pat Summerall say Terry Bradshaw was so dumb he was lost for an answer when somone said "Hi" to him and that he lacked the intelligence to make it in the NFL. I do.
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Tue Oct-25-11 10:41 AM
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Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:41 AM by ProfessorGAC
Not going to get over it. I didn't say there should be asterisks. So, your point is apropos of nothing. GAC
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Sun Oct-23-11 10:15 PM
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3. Cam Newton makes Teablow look like linebacker playing QB. |
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Cam is on schedule for almost 5,000 yards of total offense playing for the terrible Panthers. Today he was 18/23 for 256 and no picks. Had a passing TD and a running TD. Also ran for 59 yards and had a QB rating of 127.5.
Some of the fools in the media are trying to compare the two saying Teablow is just as good as Cam. What idiots!
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Sun Oct-23-11 11:18 PM
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4. The outcome was basically irrelevant |
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Tebow demonstrated every trait that will make him a backup at best, and very quickly.
It's the NFL version of Charles Barkley's golf swing.
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Sun Oct-23-11 11:53 PM
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5. "the NFL version of Charles Barkley's golf swing" |
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I am LOLing because it's so perfect.
He's the very definition of overhyped and underperforming.
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Sun Oct-23-11 11:53 PM
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6. What traits relegate a QB to backup status for the rest of their careers after only four starts? |
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Just curious. I'm also amused by the fact that you and so many others seem to have greater knowledge of what makes a good QB than coaches and analysts who've been around the game for most of their lives.
I mean, I understand the hatred fueled by his religious views, I do. I support him because I see him as kind of an underdog. Those who hate his religious bent are no less intolerant than they claim his religion makes him. I'm not saying that's why you hold such a low opinion of his skills, but I've seen many here who went rabid with abject hatred when he painted the bible verses underneath his eyes.
The jury is still out. Tebow is only a second year player. Remember, Jim Plunkett didn't win a Super Bowl until he was 33 years old, and with his 3rd team.
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Mon Oct-24-11 12:18 AM
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8. Actually I'm tired of him being the lead story on everything |
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The Jets played the Chargers today in what was a great comeback win for the Jets -- Nope. Not the major story. And these two teams may possibly play again in the playoffs
The Vikings Ponder was playing his first game against the best team in the NFL and he had a great game -- Nope. Tebow
The Battle (if you wanna call it that) for first in the AFC South was this week. You'd have never known it from the lack of coverage it got this past week
The coverage is just absurd and I'd argue if he wasn't a fundie he'd never get this kind of coverage
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Mon Oct-24-11 12:10 AM
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7. It;s why we watch the games |
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Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 12:11 AM by rpannier
He sucked for most of the game Had he played like that against the Patriots, the Packers, the Steelers, the Bears or the Eagles he'd have been toast and the game would have been in the books by halftime It might have made the Saints game look competitive by comparison
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Mon Oct-24-11 12:47 AM
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9. Keep in mind it was against the winless Dolphins |
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Mon Oct-24-11 05:30 AM
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That's the number one factor.
TEBOW WAS 4-14 with 40 yards with around 5 minutes left.
A couple of great catches at the end were key for the comeback.
Again...he was flat out horrible yesterday.
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Mon Oct-24-11 08:05 AM
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12. But but Tebow is teh greatest EVAH |
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I knows it cause thats what the media is saying..Ugh. The guy did nice at the end but he played like crap most of the game, and from what I hear it was more about the Dolphins killing themselves. I'm not going to enjoy the week listening to everyone talk about Saint Tebow. I have much better things to say about Cam Newton who just SHREDDED my Skins yesterday
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Tue Oct-25-11 11:30 AM
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17. Then Matt Moore must be a God |
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His rating is better than Teblow's
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