OH HELL! Wife Just Heard on NPR that Clinton ISN'T GIVING UP. She's got a Noon Time Press-conf

[berni_mccoy]

To Announce her CONTINUED Campaign.

Note: I didn't hear the report on NPR first hand.

Apparently, she's continuing on to Kentucky and will actively campaign, and she will announce at her Noon presser that she will go on to Win The White House in November.

Please, let this not be the case.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Connie_Corleone]

1. She's staying in until June.

I don't care anymore. IT'S OVER.

[rug]

7. August.

[Mira]

11. I hope not. Even Tim Russert rolled back his pumpkin head this morning

Joe's coffee show and said: I won't see a brokered convention in my life time.

[NightOwwl]

92. LOL. Your description of Russert...

gave me needed laugh this morning.

[tekisui]

21. I think through the end of May.

I still don't see her having the support to take it to the COnvention. And, I wouldn't understand her motivation to take it to the Convention, just to lose there.

Last night, she lost her Popular vote argument. And she lost the chance for FL and MI to affect the outcome. They could now be seated, as is, and Obama would still lead the Pledged Delegate count and Popular vote.

[rug]

28. If FL and MI are seated now, that argument to go on is eliminated.

Last night Maddow, Price, Buchanan and Matthew all saw it going to the Convention.

[patrice]

72. So she's in the position to go on OR stop and let FL & MI be seated?

Or will they be seated ANYWAY and the rest of this is all about the deal they get?

[tekisui]

112. They'll be seated either before or after the Nominee is made official.

It won't affect her standing. She is using it as a wedge issue, now. To try and frame Obama as the one enabling disenfranchisement.

[gkhouston]

15. Which June? n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

55. She Staying Until January

Perhaps February.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

79. which january?

witch february?

[Eurobabe]

2. She's packing her bags.

Too much outside pressure from all sides to give it up. Even Wes Clark has urged her to STOP now. :eyes:

If she continues on with this, it proves that she is even more maniacal and narcissistic than I thought.

[TBF]

3. She's just wasting her money now. I'm putting her on ignore along with CNN

and her supporters. Geez, time to mobilize against McCain already.

[kennetha]

4. Fight On Hillary

She's also got a campaign stop in West Virginia today!

The battle goes on!

[mythyc]

8. where's your profile hmmm

:shrug:

[Name removed]

108. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[earthside]

22. Kind of Sad.

There is nothing more pathetic than someone who has lost, but who continues to trudge on under the delusion that there is still a chance.

I guess, however, in a way this is good for Obama ... if old Hill pledges to "fight on" she will make herself look increasingly irrelevant and a bit loopy. That will only reassure Democratic voters that the right victor has emerged.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. Or it could backfire and make the Dems look like fools n/t

[JVS]

26. Durchhalten bis zum Endsieg!

[Georgie_92]

32. Aufgeben!

[JVS]

35. Jawohl!

[stevenleser]

99. Yikes! I have a feeling Hillary drops out today, otherwise, your Goebbels quote is right on

We'll see.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Why no profile?

Sheesh this shit is getting old.

[powergirl]

5. Don't worry - they'll go on through 5/20

and Obama will Win Oregon on that date and it will be "officially" over. The reality is that is has been over since Super Tuesday. They already have signs out in WV so she has to wrap it up there. All will be well Beri.:hug:

[davidpdx]

39. I agree

by the time you add in the pledged delegates from West Virginia and Kentucky (of which he will pick up some even if he loses) and then pledged delegates from winning my home state, Oregon, combined with super delegates he's going to get to 2025 by May 20th and it will officially be over.

[powergirl]

45. Go Oregon

So, you get to bring it home for Obama - lucky. I'm a Texan and we worked our hearts out to bring it. But I am proud to give the honor to your awesome state. (I'm a gardener and I LOVE Oregon and it's plant friendly climate). Go Oregon!!!! :toast:

[eagertolearn]

84. Okay- Come on Oregon lets get out there and canvass some more

because we are bringing this primary to an end. Call your local Obama office so you can be part of the winning team!:bounce:

[MaineDem]

6. Please let this be her campaign suspending moment

But, with only a few states left, I'm guessing she goes on.

[crispini]

9. That's fine, let her go on.

It's over and she knows it now.

[Botany]

57. Did I ever tell you that you are my Fav?

But no way ... time for Hillary to take her broke race baiting campaign
and go away

[crispini]

67. Cuddles!

:hug:

:loveya:

:hi:

The fat lady has sung, and everyone knows it. Her continuing doesn't bother me.

[Botany]

69. New Democratic Campaign Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkKmsgslkBA&feature=rela...

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

[crispini]

73. Ah, be nice!

Bless her, she had a good run.

[rucky]

10. Don't sweat it.

This will all be forgotten by Mid-June or so.

[patrice]

12. Solidifying her base for 2016. nt

[Blue_Roses]

44. shit...what base will she have in 2016?

the ones who are supporting her now are mainly older voters...

[patrice]

58. And she'll be 68(?) nt

[Pab Sungenis]

97. Still younger than McSame is today.

If she were to be elected in 2016, she'd only be the third President at election, behind Reagan and Eisenhower.

[skipos]

13. She is a fighter.

She would fight a starving child over the last piece of cheese on a deli tray.

[Tesha]

14. She won't give up until she's killed the last dog.

(Not exactly her husband's quote, but more one that
more-accurately describes her approach.)

[Pab Sungenis]

98. No, that's Romney.

[Tesha]

102. ;-) (NT)

[BalancedGoat]

16. It's a bad sign when...

...you have to hold a press conference to announce that you're not dropping out. I'm holding out hope that the opposite is actually true.

[Triana]

17. Wasting her money at this point...

...and finishing out the job Rush Limbaugh wants her to finish - as well as she can, anyway. The longer she can drag it out the more damage she does to Obama closer to the GE and that's the objective.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/is-limbaughs-op.html

[SoFlaJet]

53. the numbers come out today Triana

how much did she raise? How much did she have to loan herself again? Remember they are spending 1 million a day-that's another 14 million dollars wasted at this point. She has to ask; is it worth it? The Obama campaign should essentially buy her out by taking on her debt and we unify the party.

[kwassa]

18. My wife is going to a Hillary fundraiser tonight, with Hillary.

but we've both maxed out already, so there is no more from us.

Hillary, her mom, and Chelsea will be there.

[MaineDem]

24. Is this in DC?

I heard she's having a fundraiser there today.

[kwassa]

31. Yes.

We did an earlier one about a month ago in Kalorama area of DC.

Saw Hillary and Chelsea then, too.

[MaineDem]

37. Thanks.

I was wondering if logistics of an event somewhere tonight would prevent her from campaigning in WV today. It's all pretty close geographically so she'll be able to do both.

[bowens43]

19. Time for the SD to put her out of our misery.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

20. Yay! Even Sen. Obama said Indiana was the "tie breaker"!

And, she won. :-)

[goclark]

51. "Won"

:sarcasm:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

56. Won by

-200,000 votes!

:party:

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. I just can't stand this woman anymore

She is making it very hard to vote for her in November. I am hoping I won't have to. But if I do it will be a nose holder for sure.

[Phillycat]

25. IF she continues, it will be because the party worked something out...

to keep her in for WV and KY, so Obama doesn't have to lose to a non-running candidate. Him losing to a ghost would be great fodder for McCain in the general - "See, he can't even win when there's no one running against him!"

So either she'll drop out in the next few days, or in two weeks after the next 2 primaries.

[patrice]

80. That makes good sense. Why cede those RW Dems to McCheney? nt

[charlie]

29. The tone of her campaign

will signal her intentions. If it's genteel and low-key compared to what she's been doing, she's raising money to pay debts and easing her way out. If she keeps on ripping out the kitchen sink to throw at Obama, she's ready to take a wrecking ball to the party and the Clinton legacy in her mad pursuit of... something.

[cboy4]

33. Oh this is wonderful news....hopefully she's going to keep

things going so people in the upcoming states have a chance to participate as well.

Why are you banging your head berni? Obama failed in Indiana, so she has every right to continue.

:thumbsup:

[berni_mccoy]

70. I wouldn't call Indiana a failure for Obama. He gained in several key demographics

of Clintons. Yes, he predicted he would win back in FEBRUARY. Given that he only lost by 0.89%, I'd call it a marginal loss. The fact is Clinton needs 90% of the remaining votes to TIE Obama. Even McCain, who is the presumptive nominee for the GOP, is only getting 75% of the votes in primaries since he became the presumptive nominee.

[Thrill]

34. No Surprise. Its all about destroying Obama now

[my3boyz]

36. On Morning Joe Andrea Mitchell said the campaign was furious

about the cable coverage last night. They huddled together and added a campaign stop in West Virginia (originally they cancelled everything except a fundraiser)to show that they are still going to fight for the nomination.

[Mooney]

87. What was the problem with it, according to the campaign?

I don't watch that show but I'm curious to know why they were furious.

[my3boyz]

103. They did not like the media coverage. I guess they did not like

the media saying it was over and wondering when she would quit.

[Mooney]

104. I see.

Would you say that they were... whining?

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

38. Doesn't she have to continue

just to keep raising money to pay herself and Mark Penn back?

[high density]

40. There's no money left for her to mount a campaign

There are already rumors swirling that she's "borrowed" more money from herself. I don't think she wants to go down the same path as Romney when it comes to money.

The MSNBC talking heads were spinning last night that she may stay in through 5/20 just so Obama doesn't lose to a candidate that isn't even in the race. I doubt that myself especially with this "on to the White House" garbage that she spewed last night. I'll agree with the other posters, it seems she is simply out to destroy Obama at this point. There is no other reason for her to stick around.

[sakura]

82. No longer a rumor. Another 6.4 million this month.

"AP
WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton lent her presidential campaign $6.4 million over the past month, her campaign said Wednesday, underscoring the financial advantage held by her rival, Barack Obama.

The money more than doubled Clinton's personal investment in her bid for the Democratic nomination. She gave her campaign $5 million earlier this year.

A campaign aide said Clinton gave her campaign another $5 million on April 11, more than a week before the Pennsylvania primary. She then again dipped into her personal wealth for $1 million last week and $425,000 on Monday, one day before the North Carolina and Indiana primaries. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24501501/

[reflection]

41. Healing the divide becomes more improbable every day.

She's going to keep this wound open until the party is split right down the middle, and President McCain slithers into office on a wave of apathy and resentment. Pathetic.

[DeeDeeNY]

54. Your post sums it up perfectly

And we will all suffer in November

[seabeyond]

60. yes. as supporters are here this morning saying be gracious, dont be angry at hill

we know it is over.... why cant you obama supporters be nicer.... yada yada

because.... reality

[alcibiades_mystery]

42. It will actually be enjoyable to watch the desperate thrashings of the Hillarians

As their obnoxiousness is forced to face reality.

[marshall]

43. She's got the momentum now

Six primaries to go and she'll probably win them all except possibly Oregon. Why should she drop out now?

[Buzz Clik]

Momentum?

Your concept of momentum is clearly different than mine.

EDIT: She trails in Oregon by double digits. She trails in South Dakota by double digits. No polls in Montanan, but the feeling is she lose there, too. She has to WIN all those states by roughly 75-25 to have any chance at winning.

[dbmk]

47. The answer can be found via a calculator and a modest degree of political insight

And the calculator is talking pretty loud after yesterday.

[4themind]

50. If you mean JOEmentum then yes

[Tatiana]

68. She'll win South Dakota? Montana? Puerto Rico?

I'm sorry, that is not going to happen.

[marshall]

105. I didn't think of it like that, but she will probably win the next two

There's no need to drop out now, especially after she's clung this long. But I do agree it is a losing end game.

[berni_mccoy]

76. You are donating to her campaign right? She needs your help to pay off Mark Penn

Please, donate so Obama doesn't have to bail her out of Debt.

[Warren DeMontague]

109. Yes, since hitting that iceberg, her ship is speeding towards the ocean bottom faster than ever.

Geezus. She's lost. Get over it, already.

[Buzz Clik]

46. She'll stay until the fund raising clears her debts.

We'll see a smaller media presence (i.e., fewer purchased ads) but she'll run in all the primaries.

[Doityourself]

48. She's need to raise cheddar... cant drop out

[tinrobot]

75. Bingo. It's the money.

She can't raise money to pay off her campaign debt if she drops out.

[blogslut]

49. Girlfriend's got a bunch of delegates

She's gonna use them as bargaining chips.

[hokies4ever]

52. She has a campaign stop in WV

sometime around 11:30am or so, so I doubt that she'll have a press conference at noon.

[seabeyond]

59. that is the feel i had late into night last night. people "felt" optimistic

today on the board. but i wasnt believing it.

[madrchsod]

61. she going on to puerto rico where she`ll pick up ...

800,000 popular votes! of course she`ll have to borrow tens of millions from her bank account but what the hell it`s only money

[Avalux]

62. BIG fundraiser in NY tonight. She will also hold a meeting with SDs.

She'll beg for more money and beg the SDs to vote for her. Ugh.

[ramapo]

63. She is unbelievable

Is it delusion or is she just plain f'ed up?

[HughBeaumont]

78. Both.

PACK IT IN, Hill. It's NOT your turn.

[democrattotheend]

64. As an Obama supporter, I am glad

She has fought a hard campaign and I don't want her to be pushed out prematurely. I hope she stops attacking Obama, but I see no rush for her to get out until she's ready.

[thewiseguy]

71. What are you talking about? Prematurely?

She needs to get the fuck out. You are way way way too naive.

[ShortnFiery]

65. Our "illustrious" SUPERDELEGATES better "grow a spine" - any continuation is TRASHING our Party's

chances for reconciling and winning the G.E. in November.

The SUPERDELEGATES are "out of touch" = They need to Wake The FUCK UP!?! :grr: :nuke:

[pompano]

66. I think what she is......

up against now is more and more of the following. I know 2 people that were absolute Hillary obsessed.
Oh, they were the "I won't vote for Obama if he wins" types. After last night now they are "OK, it's over...next best thing is a Democrat Pres. and a Hil. Veep"

Visiting with them this morning they told me that if she (Hil.) continues it will be obvious to them that the Obama supporters (not Obama) were right all along in assuming she cares about nothing but herself and wants to see Obama loose in 08, giving her the perhaps last chance at a shot in 12.

More and more of her supporters will see this and they aren't buying her rhetoric anymore. I think for the most part she is up against this type of sentiment from here on out, this time comming from her own camp.

Obama has won this thing fair and square.

I am not at all comfortable with Clinton as a Veep. After her actions of late and the fact that everyone knows her and Bill are micromanagers...this is Obama's Presidency, he will be our President, the last thing he needs is Hil. and Bill. all up in his business and making Bill. Pres by proxy. There are a ton of good choices out there, hear me Claire?

I am glad this is over. And for the Hillary fans...you folks were tough, I'll give ya that.

Ya'll have fun.

[patrice]

88. I think what you're saying here describes, or potentially describes, 1/3 to 1/2 of her voters

and that's enough to jusfify giving them a decent exit and friendly transition into Obama supporters.

[backscatter712]

74. That's OK. She got Huckabeed.

She can do what she wants, but it's clear who's gonna be the nominee.

[pompano]

83. Yep....

Now her supporters can throw good money after bad money. Won't ammount to a Hillary-o-beans.

She has cared about no one but herself throughout this miserable campaign, why expect her to care about others hard earned money? She couldn't care less. This is about her.

Oh well, it's her stigma and her legacy that crumbles like a brownie.

If she wants to be stubborn as a "hot mule standing in a cool mudpuddle" then let her alone finance it.

This is ridiculous.

[nichomachus]

77. It would be a huger than huge mistake for her

If she muddies this process any longer, it will just pound nails in her political coffin.

If she loses at the end, she may have no political career left.

Even if she wins, after all this, it will leave such a sour taste in so many people's mouths that it will be the hollowest of victories. She might even get into the White House, but it will be a political victory, and not a moral one. When the GOP unleashes the attack dogs, which they will, there will be no one standing at her side. It will be brutal. Her only option will be to turn to and embrace the right, which will devastate all those on the left who supported her.

[futureliveshere]

81. She SHOULD continue. What is wrong with all of you

I am a fervent Obama supporter and I can see the benefit the Clinton campaign has done for Obama. This has engaged so many people. They have put him through the winger and he has WON. Now is not the time to ask her to drop out. Leave it to her to decide please.

[Justitia]

85. Because now she is charging the bill for attacking Obama to Obama's credit card!!

She is going to tear down our Dem nominee and extort him, making him pay for it by blackmailing him to retire her out of control campaign debt.

All her useless bullshit from here on out is going to be financed by Obama & his supporters - like me!

It's the campaign version of "Starve The Beast" republican policies.

Pull the plug on her, like now.

[futureliveshere]

100. Her supporter or she herself will pay her bills

Obama is not owed the nomination and he has fought brilliantly for it. He will continue to make the case to the SDs to vote for him. But that does not mean that he should make the case to force HRC out. He and his supporters will look like play-ground bullies who are kicking poor older "white" woman and her supporters while they are down.

Don't you get the fact that it is exactly this kind of overly aggressive behavior that has turned off so many of HRC's supporters. Get this fact through your head.

WE NEED A MAJORITY OF HILLARY'S SUPPORTERS TO VOTE FOR OBAMA IF HE HAS TO WIN IN NOVEMBER

[Justitia]

101. Great, so why doesn't she just pay those bills right now?

She has NO CHANCE of winning the nomination now and her further actions only serve to divide, inflame and destroy The Party.
Get that fact through your head.

Why should Obama and his supporters foot the bill for her to do that????

[futureliveshere]

107. Explain to me how Obama and his supporters are funding HRC

Don't be daft. If this party will get divided so easily then maybe we deserve chimpy and his idiot McConfused minion.

Dont be a prophet of doom when every event in the real world is showing just the reverse. The democratic turnout has broken all records. The repubs are panicking (refer Newts memo yday).

Finally an Obama victory after so many challenges tastes ssoooo much sweeter. Imagine, now NOBODY can call him unvetted, untried, soft etc. He has blown through the most formidable democratic political machine in america.

Go Obama.

added on edit:
Please don't misunderstand me. I am not saying that it is past time for HRC to drop out. Of course it is. But by making public statements and putting pressure on her publicly the SDs will make her lose face and anger her supporters. That is what I am arguing would make Obama's job more difficult in the fall.

[nichomachus]

86. We need to consider the cost to taxpayers too

Her staying in the campaign is costing us money too. Since she gets secret service protection -- every time she climbs a hay bale, slams down a shot, moves from one city to the next, it's a major effort by the secret service protection teams. They need to sweep venues before appearances, check out the people who will be close to her, and have a bunch of agents always in attendance. There always needs to be an advance team getting ready for the next stop.

None of this is free. It is a major enterprise. For her to talk about a tiny tax break on gasoline for a month or two and then waste millions of dollars of taxpayer money for her protection team for a vanity run is outrageous.

[Lugnut]

89. Aw come on already.

Does she not know how to count?

[progressoid]

90. Shit.

:banghead: shit :banghead: shit :banghead: shit :banghead: shit :banghead: shit :banghead: shit :banghead: shit

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

91. I hope the vendors she uses in KY and WV get cash up front

because they may not get paid otherwise.

[pompano]

95. Yea, that'll work...

Pay Per Lie.

If she rents an auditorium for an hour to give a speech when she gets to 64 minutes a gosh awful voice comes across the PA system "To continue this speech Please deposit $5000.00 in the box on you left"

No cake-n-coffee or hot wings for snacks. Vending machines.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

96. If enough of them demand cash, it could force the issue of her

staying in. As of a couple of months ago, a lot of small vendors were still owed money from her Iowa events. The small businesses in WV and KY should take heed.

[rocktivity]

93. Hillary DOES still have a chance to win it fair and square

All she has to do is win all six of the remaining contests with 86% of the vote!

:headbang:
rocknation

[underpants]

94. YEah

I am just rue McAuliffeo is on TV somewhere telling people that that was what they had planned all along

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

106. Winning the WH is important

and she's the best candidate to do it.

[Dyllyn]

110. she's got 72 hours to get real or the SD's will amke the decision for her

[LVjinx]

111. Maybe not even 72 hours.

I love Hillary, have given her money. But she has a very very narrow window of opportunity here to get herself in good graces with Obama supporters. She doesn't have to drop out, just acknowledge the race will continue but Obama will very likely be the nominee and she supports him. Otherwise, perception of a continued run will be awful.