Wow. Haven't been here in a while...

[txaslftist]

DU, that is. Since the last time I spent significant time here, I watched an amazing video of WTC7 coming down. Amazing because there was NO WAY it was brought down by anything other than a controlled demo. There are structural engineers who agree with that.

I don't know what really happened. I do know the official version has problems, and that video contradicts it. I suspected an insurance scam, pulled off by the nominal owner of the buildings, since with a billion dollars involved, he could pretty easily recruit enough martyrs to do the job for him. That's how suicide bombers work, by the way. You recruit suckers willing to martyr themselves for your own selfish gains. So yeah, IMO, real pilots, real arabs, real hijackers, probably even really was Bin Laden.

But more, too. Bombs in the buildings to make sure the destruction was complete. Bombs that point the finger at other people.

So I see that DU puts 9-11 questioners in the same forum with batboy, UFOs, various assassination theories ... basically anything really nutty. In other words, if you don't buy the official line on the events of 9-11, you are a nutjob. A whacko. That would appear to be the offical DU position.

So if you are looking for the truth about 9-11 and you don't buy the official conspiracy theory, you are a nut. A lunatic who needs to be locked away in a forum where you can be safely ridiculed and demeaned, but not really heard.

How does that feel?

Especially if you are an otherwise accomplished person, a person whose achievements would otherwise earn you respect. I don't know. To me it feels like inquiry into this isn't really wanted, and that what is wanted is to marginalize and belittle people with questions.

They should have a forum for crazies who think the Army experimented on prisoners by injecting them with syphillis... Oh wait. That really happened. Or whackos who think we have death squads in Afghanistan ... Oh wait. We do. Or loonies who think we were the ones who originally funded and created Al Qaida ... oh wait. We did, to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Or morans who think we traded guns and dope money to get hostages back from Iran to throw a presidential election ... oh yeah. We did that, too.

Well, obviously there is no room in the main forums for people who are skeptical of the government's version of the events of 9-11, though. Because our government wouldn't lie to us about something that important.

[whatchamacallit]

1. Welcome back then

Prepare to be slimed.

[Ohio Joe]

2. sigh...

I strongly suggest you contact the mods with your issue instead of repeatedly posting it.

[immune]

3. Welcome back to bedlam, txaslftist.

from an allegedly whacked out noob. I'm actually getting comfortable with the trolling and shilling; there are worse things, like believing the whacked out official conclusion.

I even find some ironic humor in the designation "underground". If that's what GD is, then we must be in the war room waaay underground.

The bombs. They can't point to explosives being placed in the towers by outsiders due to the high levels of security there, so the explosives simply didn't exist. This is what passes for intellect and common sense in some circles and it doesn't give much hope for the future of this country. Hell, it doesn't give much hope for the present of this country since cover ups like those you mention (and more) are endemic to the US of A and always have been.

[zappaman]

6. feel free to present evidence anytime Immune

I have noticed you have yet to do so.
When can we expect some?

[immune]

8. Evidence that there isn't much hope for the future?

Well, assuming that some of the posters here are really real and that what they say is what they really believe, that's evidence enough for me that hope is mostly gone.

[zappaman]

9. nice dodge

didn't expect you to actually back up your words.
tell us again about the plane headed to LA and the other 2 "short flights" on 9/11, Einstein
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

[immune]

10. Time will back up my words. You'd have to be blind

to miss the evidence piling up all around you that there isn't much hope left for this country. Mistakes are made, sure, but when lies are all that holds up a society, its doomed.

Glad to entertain you in the meantime, but remember, he who laughs last, laughs best, so try to imagine who will be doing all the laughing when you're not anymore.

[SDuderstadt]

11. "You'll be sorry"

Translation: I can't really prove any of my claims.

[immune]

13. Neither could Cicero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRyqi0tDDL8

And how many others warned stupid people over time who sang and danced and called them doomsday soothsayers. It can never end, they said, we're too smart for that.

[zappaman]

12. "Time will back up my words."

How about YOU back up your words?

[immune]

14. I'm not a time traveler,

Just a student of history.

[zappaman]

15. no one called you a time traveler

just asked you to back up your words yourself.
you can do that, right?

[immune]

16. I'd probably have to be a time traveler to

return after the final downfall to prove it for you. And since I doubt that it will happen in the immediate future, I don't expect to be here for that last scene anyway. We've probably got a ways to go yet before we're finally tossed onto the boneyard of empires and I doubt if getting there will be much fun. Of course if you and I are both still around, we will probably not be conversing in this manner. But you may be forced to pause in your merrymaking at some point in time and wonder why you didn't notice all the signs.

[zappaman]

17. wow

that's a lot of typing for a cop out.

[immune]

18. Not that much typing involved,

but you keep right on playing the star spangled banner on your little fiddle and I'm sure the fire will go out on its own.

[greyl]

4. If you had evidence, you'd be talking about it. nt

[defendandprotect]

31. Unfortunately, any "evidence" would be in hands of the government ....

[greyl]

32. Look clearly: You're admitting he has no evidence for what he's posting.

Thanks.
The 9/11 Conspiracy Industry has no evidence, only unending fantasies.
Please consider throwing your support to a more worthwhile cause.

[defendandprotect]

33. No -- clearly what I am saying is that any available evidence is in

the hands of government --

those who covered up the massive problems with the OCT --

And that is true of ALL of the false flag operations throughout history --

and all of the right wing political violence which has basically been out in

the open over the last 50 years!

Certainly this isn't "Conspiracy-free America" -- and certainly history records

nothing but conspiracies from the Palace to the Capitol!




"Only fools never doubt!" Shakespeare

[LARED]

34. The problem is your notion that...

"any available evidence is in the hands of government -- " is just goofy

[hack89]

5. Feel free to educate us

You pick the first topic and present your evidence.

[LARED]

7. +1 for....

inventiveness.

Suicide bombers took out wtc 7. That's a new one.

Cool.

[MrMickeysMom]

19. Cogent thoughts there, txaslftist

Welcome back.

This seems to be one of the few faults around here. By relegating anything that is conspiratory to 9/11 forum, it sure makes anyone who doubts a "conventional wisdom" of who done it feel like they've been put there.

The dick-eating remarks people make about presidential or thought leader assassinations, or other acts of domestic terrorism say more about the dick-eaters than anything else. I do have some sane conversations here and hope to share them with you.

:hi:

[William Seger]

20. Delusion Street is a one-way dead-end.

If you're really searching for truth, a good start would be facing the truth about yourself and the people who disagree with you. There's absolutely nothing wrong with "doubts" about "conventional wisdom" or even unsubstantiated speculation, provided that you recognize it as unsubstantiated speculation. The problem with "truthers" is they have lost (or never had) the ability to distinguish between unsubstantiated speculation and "truth." The reason there is a dungeon is that many "truthers" allow this delusion to become a full-blown "prophet complex": They become obsessed with convincing others to believe the "truth" they believe, but unfortunately they don't comprehend what rational people would require.

[MrMickeysMom]

21. I'm not able to answer "ignore"...

So happy to say... :-)

[William Seger]

22. "Ignore" is your best friend

... when you're allergic to facts and can't defend the nonsense you post. Your delusions must be particularly fragile.

[greyl]

23. Oh, bullshit. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

24. no, it's not bullshit, greyl...

That's the way it is when people scream to be placed on ignore, probably from them posting like horse's asses... they get placed on "ignore", so I CAN'T really answer them unless I take them off "ignore".

You obviously haven't had the displeasure yet. Good for you!

[greyl]

25. I think it is.

Plus, if you're really ignoring someone, you don't reply to them by proxy.
Any way you cut it, it's bullshit.

[MrMickeysMom]

26. Me thinks you just like to say the word...

It's a good word. Have a wonderful evening!

[William Seger]

27. "probably from them posting like horse's asses"

LMAO, the thread where you claimed you were putting me on "ignore" is still online, lovie. You put me on ignore when I wouldn't let you get away with parroting some "truther" bullshit you picked up somewhere, and you decided that saying you were putting me on "ignore" relieved you of any responsibility to defend the bullshit and/or your spreading it around -- a very cowardly thing to do. Someone seriously searching for "truth" shouldn't have such a hard time letting go of bullshit. Gotta LOL at the way you get all bent out of shape about "truther" bullshit not getting the respect you think it deserves.

I'm also getting a chuckle thinking about you reading this and not being able to respond. :rofl:

[MrMickeysMom]

28. Like I said... I can't hear you....

Honest to God :eyes:

[William Seger]

29. Oh, yeah....

... I keep forgetting. :rofl:

[defendandprotect]

30. Hi -- and, yes -- it is really silly, isn't it -- !! "Conspiracy-free America" ... !!! Wow!!

[whyzayker]

35. My feelings exactly.

Thanks.

[Bonobo]

36. Great post. I couldn't agree more.

"So if you are looking for the truth about 9-11 and you don't buy the official conspiracy theory, you are a nut. A lunatic who needs to be locked away in a forum where you can be safely ridiculed and demeaned, but not really heard. "

Yes, indeed. That is precisely why this dungeon was set up.

"They should have a forum for crazies who think the Army experimented on prisoners by injecting them with syphillis... Oh wait. That really happened. Or whackos who think we have death squads in Afghanistan ... Oh wait. We do. Or loonies who think we were the ones who originally funded and created Al Qaida ... oh wait. We did, to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Or morans who think we traded guns and dope money to get hostages back from Iran to throw a presidential election ... oh yeah. We did that, too."

Bravo. Well said.

[Raster]

37. I concur.