9/10... the Days Before America Changed Forever

[BeFree]

On 9/10 bush's poll numbers were in the toilet.

Due any day was a media consortium report that detailed how Gore really won Florida.

The White House had already heard numerous reports of an impending attack using airliners from both homeland security and foreign sources.

The CIA and FBI were dilly-dallying with pertinent information that should have led to the capture and deportation of several of the 'hijackers'.

NORAD was beginning execution of the next day's practice run of bombarding ATC, Air Traffic Controller, scopes with simulated airline hijackings.

John O'Neill, hired by Guilliani's security man, Haeur, was working at the WTC and had claimed that the security of the towers were in grave danger: "They'll come back and finish the job" O'Neill told a friend.

Those were the good old days.

[deconstruct911]

1. O'Neil forget to tell everyone

it was his own FBI that failed to spoil the 93 plot as they supervised the bomb being built.

[defendandprotect]

4. Many have tried to get that story out ... and have kept trying ....

Looks like '93 was a practice run for '01 --

[deconstruct911]

5. If the first one was false flag

so were the rest...

[defendandprotect]

6. Agree --

Coleen Rawley -- think that's the name -- has continued to fight to tell

that story -- and others, whose names I can no longer recall --

[deconstruct911]

9. Looks like Hollywood

was the biggest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntpTuOpnt70

[defendandprotect]

13. Thank you -- and notice he also mentions CIA ---

The reason the Russians went to the UN Security Council with their info was

because they feared just that -- that somehow blame would be transferred to them.

Russians had been banging on the WH and intelligence doors with their info and

only met "Operation Ignore" from WH/Bush.

Russians were so concerned that they went to the UN Security Council with their info

and in AUGUST the UN Security Council sent their own reps to WH and our intelligence

agencies to make sure they were getting the info!!


AUGUST just before 9/11 --

[deconstruct911]

14. Yea they knew the CIA was going through with 9/11

the insider trading appears to be a global event.

And they realized the opium crops in Afghanistan weren't planted in 2001. Lots of that heroin ends up in Russia too.

[defendandprotect]

15. Didn't know that anyone tracked the "insider trading" ....

to more than what happened here -- though, of course, they would have gone

for all they could get--!!

Of course, drug trading is enriching elites --

And, also remember Sarah McClendon/Journalist and one of the Reps -- from Texas I think --

a kind of simple name I can't recall at the moment -- but they were trying to get

us to see the elites/suits a little differently from the imagine they were offering

of themselves! And, certainly they were making clear that drug money was polluting our

government -- this is probably 20 years ago on C-span when you could actually see something

of import there! They also mentioned that at some point some CIA people who were retired

were looking into Swiss Bank accounts, finding evidence of Congressional members' with

drug money in their accounts and forcing them to resign--???

A while back here at DU there was a video of a British officer looking out on a huge crop

of drugs and commenting how much "the Americans love to deal in drugs" - !!

We have to find a way to end this Drug War --

[deconstruct911]

16. Those are all great points

Certainly the drug war and the Swiss banking. As far as I know they haven't released any information on those 4000 "tax evaders" and the media is silent since first reporting it like usual. Perhaps it suggest nothing is really happening to those clients and it's in fact money laundering related. I'm still waiting to hear more on it anyway.

"Jonathan Winer, an ABC News Consultant said "it's absolutely unprecedented to see cases of insider trading covering the entire world from Japan to the United States and North America to Europe."

Theres the original clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76ZVvMU4UO4

And that's just the put options. Looks like the pre 9/11 trading is more unusual than often suggested.

[defendandprotect]

17. Thank you -- I've "saved" it to look at soon, I hope --

Swiss banking is a threat to democracy --

thanks for the info!!

:)

[deconstruct911]

18. Add to the list

Cayman, Bermuda, Bahamas, London, New York & that presents probably 90+ % of our threat. The UK, US & Swiss bankers have it figured out.

[Name removed]

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[defendandprotect]

3. Bushco wasn't about to give anyone a chance to recover from 2000 election...

and begin investigating --

Good review -- we need to continue to look back to understand what is happening now!

[BeFree]

7. The summer of 2001

Democrats were seething. bushco had started right out turning back progress.

The Cheney Energy Task Force had raised alarms, nuke rattling shook peace to its core, and news channels began broadcasting programs about biological terrorism coming home to America.

The FBI had no permanent head, just an acting head, but the head of the head of CIA was on fire because the threat of airplane hijacking was being ignored by bushco.

What the FBI was focusing on were the environmental folks, calling them the number one threat. Yep. With all that was going on, the FBI was focusing on tree-huggers.

[SDuderstadt]

8. You need to start documenting your claims...

can you, dude?

[BeFree]

10. Rummy, just days before...

..claimed that there was over 2 trillion "unaccounted for" dollars in the pentagon budget. Thought at the time that was the first honest statement from bushco.

[SDuderstadt]

11. Here's what he actually said...

dude.

http://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and__2_3_trilli.html

[TheWatcher]

19. Do you actually think anyone listens to or cares what you think anymore, Dude?

Now that's a real conspiracy theory. :rofl:

[zappaman]

20. no

because the nuts have no critical thinking skills.
Once you decide no planes hit the WTC or that BUSHCO planned the whole thing, you give up caring what rational people think.

[Name removed]

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[SDuderstadt]

21. Yeah, Newsweek called just night and...

Christiane Amanpour is on her way over.

How's that "9/11 was an inside job" thingy working out for you?

[TheWatcher]

22. How's that "Head In The Sand" Shill Act working out for you?

Do you and Joseph still tag team, or are you strictly a solo act now?

It's nice to know some things never change.

Ignorant to the bitter end.

:rofl:

[SDuderstadt]

24. Yes, of course...

anyone who rejects your goofy "9/11 was an inside job" bullshit must have their head in the sand. Tell me something. Are you this month's "designated pinata"?

Are you guys still following Bill Clinton around and disrupting his speeches? Classy.

[BeFree]

12. And little did we know

The Patriot act was being written.

[BeFree]

25. osama bin laden

First heard of obl in the Clinton administration.

Clinton sent missiles at the SOB.

And the pubbies got their panties in a twist.
Called it 'wagging the dog'.

Clinton tried to kill obl, and later, bushco forgot about him.
Makes ya wonder, eh?

[zappaman]

26. wonder about what?

The incompetence of the Bush administration?
I thought that was a given.

[BeFree]

27. Incompetent?

They were so incompetent they got everything they wanted?

Fuck them. They planned nearly everything that happened, and now they are so much richer.

You look at them as they walk away with all our money and you think THEY are incompetent?

[zappaman]

28. "They planned nearly everything"

Any proof they planned 9/11?
Or just more accusations and long-debunked internet tomfoolery?

[BeFree]

29. Tomfoolery?

You are the one who thinks bushco was incompetent.
That's all the proof needed to dismiss anything you think.

[zappaman]

30. BeFree, are you a no-planer?

I can't recall.

[BeFree]

31. Are you a bushco apologist?

It reads that way.

I believe in planes. I've even rode in a few.

[zappaman]

32. Sweetie, I'll answer your question

No, I am not a Bush apologist.
Now, try to answer mine.
Did 2 hijacked planes hit the WTC, one hijacked plane hit the pentagon, and one hijacked plane crash in a field in PA?

[BeFree]

33. I don't beleive you.`

Why should I? You've no proof.

In fact all the evidence points the other way.

[zappaman]

34. You still haven't answered my question

I answered yours.
Guess you don't like honest discussions?

[SDuderstadt]

37. I see you're coming up on your 1000th...

post. I think you ought to celebrate by dedicating it to BeFree.

[SDuderstadt]

36. I see you're still smearing other members with the...

"Bushco apologist" label.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but I suspect you aren't. Under the circumstances, I'm sure you don't mind me calling you a "bin Laden minion", right?

[SDuderstadt]

35. If they were so "competent"...

why couldn't they manage to plant WMD in Iraq, instead of humiliating themselves before the entire world/

[BeFree]

38. Heh

Did you believe there were WMD in Iraq?

[greyl]

39. Don't change the subject, answer the question. nt

[BeFree]

40. The question SDud asked was:

"". If they were so "competent"...

why couldn't they manage to plant WMD in Iraq, instead of humiliating themselves before the entire world/""

And, in order to answer that I need to know what SDud thinks about why the invasion was allowed to proceed.

There were 70 some odd Senators who believed there were WMD in Iraq, and only 20 or so Democratic Senators who didn't believe.

So, in the minds of many elected officials, bushco DID plant WMD in Iraq.

Of course this post defeats all pretense of yall knowing the history, and for that affront I hereby do apologize for having done so. My condolences.

[SDuderstadt]

42. "So, in the minds of many elected officials, bushco DID plant WMD in Iraq"

WTF? I think it's pretty safe to assume that anyone who believed that the Bush administration planted WMD in Iraq would have been forced to abandon that belief when none were produced.

Serious question: do you actually think about what you write? And, I will politely ask you one more time to cease your silly insults with your intentional cropping of my name to wring the word "dud" out of it, BeeBeep. No one can match your record of dud posts, dude.

[SDuderstadt]

41. No, dude...

stupid question, but about what I would expect from you as you dishonestly reframe this to try to save face. Any number of us have noted the incompetence of the Bush administration, while you, all the while, attempt to portray them as some sort of hypercompetent force that planned nearly everything and got everything they wanted. Their failure to find WMD was a major embarrassment for them on many levels. This, of course, severely undermines your claims. If they were so competent, do you really expect us to believe they couldn't have simply planted some WMD?

Of course, instead of acknowledging that and conceding the indefensibility of your absurd allegations, you clumsily try to make this about me by posing a dishonest question to make it appear that I somehow was duped by the Bush administration's central rationalization for invading Iraq. Again, this is why no one takes you seriously here, especially because of your repeated attempts to smear those of us who merely disagree with you on the facts as somehow tied to the Bush administration.

Knock it off, dude, or I suspect you will quickly lose whatever small measure of support you enjoy from those who share your delusion. If they weren't so embarrassing to liberalism, the Democratic Party and DU, your sad antics might actually be funny, rather than earning you nearly universal condemnation.

I actually have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt at various times, assuming your cognitive, communicative and epistemelogical skills are so impaired as to explain your rather bizarre conduct. Then, of course, I realize that no one could possibly be that incompetent. I'm pretty sure that, with a modicum of research, you could have realized that asking me if I believed Iraq had WMD was one of your dumbest questions.

[BeFree]

43. So

You disagreed with half the Democratic Senators who believed WMD were in Iraq?

You see, it takes critical thinking to see that bushco did, in the minds of many, plant the idea that WMD were in Iraq. That's all it took, so the invasion proceeded. Bushco was successful, not incompetent. They were competent liars and thieves.

[SDuderstadt]

44. Moving the goalposts again, dude?

We weren't talking about Bush planting the "idea" of WMD. It's pointless to try to reason with you because you wander all over the place.

[BeFree]

45. Colin Powell

In front of the UN, laid out the bushco case that WMD were in Iraq.

As far as many were concerned, there were WMD in Iraq. You can deny that and dance around and call bushco incompetent, but they won and they got their way.

There is no reason for anyone to be deceived any longer, but many still think it was just a mistake. "That bushco was merely incompetent."

bushco has fooled many, but they never fooled me. Why are you opposing me?

[zappaman]

46. why are you dodging my question?

I answered yours, why aren't you answering mine/
Again, did 2 hijacked planes hit the WTC, one hijacked plane hit the pentagon, and one hijacked plane crash in a field in PA?

[BeFree]

50. Answer

I don't know.

Where is the evidence of your accusations? I know some people believe all that, and some don't. If you have the rock solid evidence, feel free to post links. Maybe even start a thread?

Shouldn't take you but a short while, eh?

[zappaman]

52. "I don't know"

Thus proving the adage "anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about."
"Some people believe all that"?
You are too funny!

[SDuderstadt]

53. Re-read your post #40, then...

re-read my response, post # 42.

You went from claiming that many elected officials went from believing that the Bush administration planted WMD to they believed that Bush had planted the "idea" of WMD in Iraq. You do realize how those two claims are at odds with each other, right? Do you also realize why neither of them make any sense? I rather doubt it. When debates get all tangled up like this, it's really silly for you to blame others for your imprecision.

As to why I am "opposing" you on this", it's because of, as I previously cited, your impaired cognitive, communicative and epistemelogical (sp) abilities and flat-out problems with facts. Your tendency to smear those who merely disagree with you on the facts as "Bushco apologists" rather seals the case, dude. Again, your "who, me?" ploy is not working.

[zappaman]

47. "Any number of us have noted the incompetence of the Bush administration"

Really?
I called the Bush administration incompetent and you called me a Bush apologist.
Which is it?
Are you an apologist too?

[SDuderstadt]

48. I think you responded to me by mistake...

you were responding to BeFree, right?

[zappaman]

49. oops

We KNOW you are a Bush apologist!
By the way, next meeting of Bush apologists is Wednesday.
Bring zanax and small animals to sacrifice.

[BeFree]

51. Mere question

"Are you a buchco apologist?"

You claimed no. I didn't 'call' you anything.

Do you have evidence of bushco being incompetent? Of course you don't. Excuse me for asking.

[SDuderstadt]

54. Dude...

the fact that Bush claimed that Iraq had WMD, then at least didn't plant some, is overwhelming evidence of their incompetence.

[BeFree]

55. Ever stop to think?

That bushco attempted to plant WMD, but failed to succeed?

Or that once they got their way and the invasion began, it didn't matter?

Of course you didn't think any of that, dumb question for you. Sorry to agitate you so much.

[SDuderstadt]

56. Ever stop to think that...

if Bush tried to plant WMD, but failed, that would be FURTHER evidence of their incompetence? Duh.

Dude, you keep destroying your own argument. Do you see that?

This is just more evidence of your impaired epistemology (sp).

[BeFree]

58. So

You think that if bushco tried to plant WMD in Iraq and discovered they were about to be caught and they withdrew, and the media didn't report it, or the CIA, and they got away with it cleanly, it shows they were incompetent?

Do you think they did not try to plant WMD in Iraq? If they didn't, why didn't they? If they had planted some and the media reported there were WMD in Iraq, like bushco said there was, then bushco would have looked better.

I'm thinking they tried to plant WMD and were discovered, so they dropped it.

You have any solid evidence of bushco incompetence? I can't think of any. They took the money and ran, just like they planned, far as I can tell.

[SDuderstadt]

59. Hopeless and...

fucking unbelievable, dude.

I've encountered few people in my life whose reasoning processes are as deeply impaired as yours. Whether you know it or not, you are taking three (possibly four) instances of sheer "Bushco" INCOMPETENCY and unsuccessfully trying to reframe it as competency. It truly boggles the mind.

1st, to announce the premise for the invasion as WMD that the Bush administration either knew for sure was not there or did not know because they failed to vet it properly is sheer idiocy.

Secondly, if they knew there were not WMD there and they didn't plan to plant some there, that's even dumber.

Thirdly, if they were trying to plant some and had to abort because they were about to get caught, how is that NOT an example of incompetency??? Do you honestly expect us to believe that they could have fooled people into believing planes were actually involved in the attacks (whether you believe that or not), yet they could not manage to plant some WMD in a country as large and desolate as Iraq and not avoid detection? How in the world is that an indication of "competency", dude?

The problem is, no matter what situation arises, you try to reframe it (sometimes in Orwellian dimensions), buy yourself some time, then ludicrously tell us that "up is down", "backwards is forward" and "inside out is outside in".

Seriously, trying to follow your tortured, confused and disjointed writing reminds me of that great Monty Python skit where a customer tries to return a dead parrot to a pet shop, only to have the clerk insist the parrot is not dead, but merely stunned. Enough, dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218

[BeFree]

60. Awww

So fucking put me on ignore.

I don't know why you spend so much time trying to read my stuff. I guess you have an obsession with me? And all I do is piss you off to no end?

Are you having some sick fun, or what?

I am trying to figure out what bushco has done and you are figuring out some way to stop me. You stalk me from thread to thread, and just plain make up shit to disagree with me.

Yeah, it must be some sick fun for you. Me? I deal with assholes every day in real life, so you are just a mere squirt of a problem.

Keep digging, dude, you're almost there.

Bwahahaha!

[SDuderstadt]

61. "you are figuring out some way to stop me"

Yes, dude...TPTB are getting very nervous that you are close to busting this thing wide open.

BTW, I notice that you didn't address my points.

[BeFree]

62. They locked that thread, finally

And here you are spreading that bullshit again.

Why address your points... you think bushco was totally incompetent, and I think they were quite, but not totally, competent thieves, murderers, and a CIA agent uncoverer.
You are entitled to your opinion. It is wrong, I have said so. You won't change my mind.
I doubt you'd change anybodies' mind.

[SDuderstadt]

65. "you think bushco was totally incompetent"

Another one of your stupid strawman arguments, dude. I have given you specific examples that undercuts your argument. Of course, you can't or won't address them.

And, it's "anybody's" not "anybodies' ", dude.

[BeFree]

66. Yep

I have a new name for yall: BITs. Bushco Incompetence Theorists.

[SDuderstadt]

67. I have a new name for you, DUDe...

Zero Incompetence Theorist. ZIT.

You might want to quit giving me straight lines, DUDe.

[BeFree]

68. Hahha

DUDe, is that what you warned me about? Bwhahahaha.

I got to hand it to you, you deserve it. Bwahahahah.

[SDuderstadt]

69. Maybe you should call it a night, BeeBeep....

Longterm, you might want to look for a debate site that doesn't permit opposing views, so you can relax with your fellow ZITs.

Bye, DUDe.

[BeFree]

70. Reduced to stupid name calling, eh?

That and your obsession with me is quite telling.

[SDuderstadt]

71. Show me where I called you a "name", DUDe...

unless, of course, you are now changing your definition of what constitutes name-calling.

[BeFree]

72. You have many pet names for me.

But you not wanting to remember your own words is understandable.
If I were you I'd want to forget too.

[SDuderstadt]

73. WTF are you...

babbling about now, DUDe?

Is it the way I emphasize the DUD in DUDe? Does that bother you???

Now, you know what it feels like when you truncate my name to emphasize the "dud".

You've got a serious and obvious double standard going, DUDe. And, you can end this right here. Get my drift?

[BeFree]

74. No

It doesn't bother me. Call me whatever.

What bothers me is your total falling down and being reduced to name calling.

SDud wrote:
"Is it the way I emphasize the DUD in DUDe? Does that bother you???

Now, you know what it feels like when you truncate my name to emphasize the "dud".

You've got a serious and obvious double standard going, DUDe. And, you can end this right here. Get my drift?"

[SDuderstadt]

75. It's real simple, DUDe...

I have asked you repeatedly and politely to quit addressing me as SDud. Yet you persist.

More importantly, you start whining when I turn the tables on you. Most people here address me as SD or Sdude. You may address me as Mr. Sdude. Deal? Or, do you want to keep playing games?

[BeFree]

76. Go ahead, play your games

Don't let me stop you.

Why does SDud bother you so much? Your moniker is SDud er+something. Is it really getting under your skin? Why?

[SDuderstadt]

77. For the same reason my referring to you as DUDe bothers you...

it's your backhanded way of calling me a "dud", yet you lose it when I do the same thing to you.


"Waaaaaaaaaah! Sdude is calling me the same name I am calling him! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!".

Your hypocrisy is simply stunning.

[BeFree]

78. Oh

Look at who is whining now. You crack me up.

SDuder+something wrote:

"For the same reason my referring to you as DUDe bothers you...
Posted by SDuderstadt


it's your backhanded way of calling me a "dud", yet you lose it when I do the same thing to you.


"Waaaaaaaaaah! Sdude is calling me the same name I am calling him! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!".

Your hypocrisy is simply stunning."

[SDuderstadt]

79. It's real simple, BeeBeep...

you quit addressing me as SDud and I'll quit addressing you as DUDe. I have asked you politely over and over.

It seems turning the tables on you is the only thing you understand. I cannot help it if you are so obstinate.

[BeFree]

82. I am DUDe

You are DUDe.

Tell ya what, if this is really causing you mental anguish, I will just refer to you as
my own little obsessive. MOLO.

No, really, if calling you SDud is making you shit your pants, I'll stop.

[SDuderstadt]

83. Is calling you DUDe...

making YOU "shit your pants"?

And, I'm certain "MOLO" is just you disguising a name by making it an acronym. Is it okay if I tell you to FOAD? No?

Stop the gameplaying, dude.

[BeFree]

84. Wow

You are flat melting down. I've heard of DUers doing so, but I never saw it up close.

SDud wrote:
"Is calling you DUDe...
Posted by SDuderstadt


making YOU "shit your pants"?

And, I'm certain "MOLO" is just you disguising a name by making it an acronym. Is it okay if I tell you to FOAD? No?
"

[SDuderstadt]

85. I'm mocking you, dude...

and laughing my ass off in the process.

Tell you what. I'll let you address me as "MOLO" on the conditions that:

1) You honestly disclose what "MOLO" stands for (as hard as I know that will be for you) and

2) You let me address you as "BoPeep"

Speaking of "melting down", why do you feel you have to cut and paste the post you're replying to? It's actually kinda creepy.

[greyl]

80. Just steer the conversation back to all that evidence you have and you'll be fine. nt

[SDuderstadt]

81. BeeBeep....

do you honestly think the readers can't see what you're responding to on their own???

[BeFree]

63. SDud wrote:

"" Yes, dude...TPTB are getting very nervous that you are close to busting this thing wide open.""

How would you like it if every time you wrote that crap I wrote back:
""I'd bet Bush is looking for you so they could write you a check""?

[SDuderstadt]

64. No different than your usual smears...

dude.

[zappaman]

57. just about everything the Bush administration did was incompetent

and saying that makes me a Bush apologist?
too funny!