Iraq Vet Beats Up Girlfriend and Shoots Cop

[mikeb302000]

http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2011/oct/01/22/hillsborough-deputy-wounded-in-shooting-suspect-in-ar-262049/">Tampa Bay Online reports how it was all Iraq's fault, or maybe it was all the VA's fault.

A Hillsborough County sheriff's deputy was in good condition Saturday after she was shot three times the previous night by an ex-Marine who then barricaded himself inside an apartment, authorities said.

The former Marine accused of shooting a Hillsborough County deputy three times Friday night had post-traumatic stress disorder upon his return from Iraq, his uncle said Saturday.

"I know he had been going to the VA hospital quite a bit, and they'd been putting him off, putting him off," Bob Buendia said of his nephew, 24-year-old Matthew Lane Buendia of Carrollwood. "He'd been getting frustrated."

I'm the first one to talk about shared responsibility, but I can also recognize an angry young man who can't help but brutalize his girlfriend and shoot the cop who tries to intervene, a cop who happens to be female too.

On Friday night, Buendia and his live-in girlfriend, Jessica Gipson, 28, got into a fight at their apartment at Inwood Park Apartments, 4747 W. Waters Ave., according to sheriff's officials. Buendia struck her; when she tried to get away, he tackled her from behind, records say.

He then punched her in the head and slammed her head on the ground, the records say. When she managed to pull free, he picked her up by the throat, choking her, but she managed to get away and tried calling 911, they say. Buendia slapped the phone out of her hand.

I've know tough ex-Marines like this, perhaps you have too. They all suffer from PTSD after they're caught doing something stupid. But before that they have enough on the ball to pick their fights carefully. They don't let their rage get the best of them with other men bigger and tougher then they are, the local karate instructor, or the hulk-like biker who hangs on the corner. No, their anger, which seems uncontrollable, is often very controlled and directed to the girlfriend or the unsuspecting cop.

By the way, did anyone check to see if he'd been the legal owner of that gun, or, god-forbid, that he'd had a concealed carry licence? No, I don't think anyone did, which serves the gun-rights movement just fine. We certainly wouldn't want an accurate accounting of how many of those guys are losing it.

What's your opinion? I think the girlfriend is lucky to be alive. http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/09/more-tragic-domestic-gun-violence.html">Many others in her position are not.

Please leave a comment.
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/">(cross posted at Mikeb302000)

[petronius]

1. Perhaps you can clarify: are you suggesting that this man's PTSD is bogus? Based on what?

More generally, perhaps you can elaborate on this:

I've know tough ex-Marines like this, perhaps you have too. They all suffer from PTSD after they're caught doing something stupid. But before that they have enough on the ball to pick their fights carefully. They don't let their rage get the best of them with other men bigger and tougher then they are, the local karate instructor, or the hulk-like biker who hangs on the corner. No, their anger, which seems uncontrollable, is often very controlled and directed to the girlfriend or the unsuspecting cop.

Are you implying that all PTSD claims are fakes, mere cover for violent tendencies? Most? A tiny handful? :shrug:

[mikeb302000]

4. not all. that was hyperbole for emphasis.

What are you claiming, it's never used as an excuse for unacceptable behavior? I happen to believe that beating up the girlfriend is inexcusable. What about you. As long as the guy's a combat vet, it's OK?

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[mikeb302000]

29. why can't you use you head just a little bit?

Did you really think I meant EVERY SINGLE ex-marine? Is that what you're accusing me of backpedling from?

[petronius]

19. "Hyperbole for emphasis" - what exactly are you emphasizing?

You dodged my question with a feeble strawman insult...

[mikeb302000]

30. What I'm emphasizing is this

The VA hospital in every city where one exists is full of guys getting over on the system. Along with the genuine heores who have suffered real injuries, there are legions of guys scamming for prescriptions and getting those easy diagnoses. The ones among them who fuck up by , naturally cry PTSD.

What's your position, that this doesn't exist? I've been there and seen it with my own eyes. Have you?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

38. Legions of vets scamming the VA system?

You clearly have never been there...

[rl6214]

46. You can see this all the way from italy?

"The VA hospital in every city where one exists is full of guys getting over on the system."

You don't know shit.

[friendly_iconoclast]

50. Another faith-promoting rumor from you. You haven't been at a VA hospital for 20+ years, if ever.

Unless, of course, you weren't telling the truth about being an expat for 22 years...

[rl6214]

45. Ah, more hyperbole

you sure are good at making claims and then when you are called on them you backpeddle faster than Lance Armstrong could.

Pretty despicable making that accusation of our US Marines from the safe haven of your UN villa in italy.

[kurtzapril4]

49. Here in IL

They're trying, or did pass a bill that gives ex-military a break on their jail time when they get into trouble. What a crock of shit!

[SteveM]

51. He calls it "hyperbole." I call it a tail-wagging Labrador Retriever fart. nt

[jeepnstein]

11. He knows it all, just ask.

[AtheistCrusader]

2. What relevance is a concealed carry license?

It appears he was honorably discharged, so no apparent reason to assume he was not the legal owner of the gun.
Concealed carry is not at issue, whether he has a license or not.


Why do you always go off on these bizzarre-assed tangents?

[mikeb302000]

5. it' snot so bizarre really

we often talk about CCW guys acting badly. The pro gun guys trot out the unbelievable stats of theirs, my response is many of these cases go unchecked.

Surely this bum who beat up his girlfriend viciously was a lawful gun owner, as you said. That's the other discussion. Lawful gun owners don't do shit like this. Oh, but if he'd recently served his country it's all right.

[ileus]

13. So you're saying he did have his CHP, and was carrying in public when this happened?

[AtheistCrusader]

16. No, they don't go unchecked.

Florida, in particular, is good about releasing numbers on revoked licenses, which happens upon conviction for a felony. Other states, the stats are somewhat more opaque, but Florida publishes it quarterly.

Keep reaching like that, and you'll pull something.

Tired of your condescending bullshit. I didn't say anything about whether he's a good guy because he served his country or any of that shit. Some really vile human beings find their way into and out of the miltiary without being dishonorably discharged. That has no bearing whatsoever on my point: Having served is an indication he's not a felon to start with, and being honorably discharged means no firearm felonly-like disqualification. You can shove that 'it's all right' bullshit right up your ass.

[mikeb302000]

31. sure Florida is really good about this huh?

You know something about the system of reporting that's actually used, or are you just making up shit again? Florida reports what they have, which is missing entire counties that don't report anything. It's not unlike all those reports about 90% of the mexican guns coming from the US. It turned out to be 90% of the ones checked. Same thing.

You're tired of my condescending bullshit, huh? Well, I'm really sorry about that.

[AtheistCrusader]

36. Revocations come from both directions.

Federal disqualification, and state disqualification. Either a state or federal felony conviction, or certain misdemeanors under the lautenberg amendment will issue a revocation.

If you think the state of Florida is in violation of federal law, by all means, cough up some evidence.

[gejohnston]

37. not exactly

what do you base "not all counties reporting" on?

It's not unlike all those reports about 90% of the mexican guns coming from the US. It turned out to be 90% of the ones checked. Same thing.

Checked by US BATFE because of US markings or manufacture. That was only ten percent of the total number of guns. No, it is not the same thing. Also, the BATFE did not say that those guns came from gun shops in the southwest. The Prohibition lobby spun it to mean that.

[spin]

23. My "unbelievable stats" come from the State of Florida web page on concealed carry ...

and other states that have similar sites report the same basic statistical results.

The Florida web page reports that since Oct. 1, 1987 when "shall issue" concealed carry went into law in Florida, 2,047,928 concealed weapons permits have been issued of which 853,272 are currently valid. 5,775 licenses were revoked because of a crime committed after the license was issued but only 168 license have been revoked for the commission of a crime involving the use of a firearm over the 24 year period.

Source:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.pdf

This is the one of the statistical reports from the main Florida web page on the Concealed Weapon or Firearm Program located at:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

You seem to believe that those who disagree with your opinion are trying to say that all lawful gun owners never misuse their firearms to injure or kill others. That's false. Obviously a small percentage of the 80,000,000 firearm owners in our nation do indeed shoot others either accidentally or criminally or use their weapons to commit crime. An even smaller percentage of those who are licensed to carry concealed firearms also do so. Gun owners and even the estimated 10,000,000 individuals who legally carry concealed are not angels with wings and halos, nor do we claim to be.

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. True Believers don't *need* factual accuracy- They've got a Higher Truth.

Witness the multiple insinuations that the shooter in the OP had a CHP, when in fact their is no indication that he had one
in the linked article. Shades of the Scientific Temperance Federation....

[spin]

28. To be fair it does seem logical that allowing people to own and carry firearms ...

would result in a tremendous increase in the murder rate and violent crime caused by firearms.

When "shall issue" concealed carry first passed in Florida in 1987, I suspected that it would cause some problems. I didn't expect shootouts on Main Street at high noon or at every red light, but I anticipate some increase in unnecessary shootings caused by those who had obtained concealed weapons permits.

It didn't happen.

In the last few years the sales of firearms has skyrocketed and many of these firearms are high capacity semi-auto rifles and pistols. It seems logical that we should be seeing the results of selling 14,000,000 firearms in 2009 alone by now. At a minimum, the violent crime rate should have skyrocketed or at least increased dramatically. source: http://www.ammoland.com/2010/01/13/gun-owners-buy-14-million-plus-guns-in-2009/

Once again, it didn't happen.

Despite the spread of "shall issue" concealed carry across our nation and the sales of firearms, the violent crime has decreased.

Violent Crime in U.S. Down 12% in 2010
By AP / PETE YOST Friday, Sept. 16, 201

WASHINGTON) — The number of violent crimes fell by a surprising 12 percent in the United States last year, a far bigger drop than the nation has been averaging since 2001, the Justice Department said.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported there were 3.8 million violent crimes last year, down from 4.3 million in 2009.

***snip***

From 1993 through 2010, the rate of violent crime has declined by a whopping 70 percent: from 49.9 violent crimes per 1,000 persons age 12 or older to only 14.9 per 1,000 in 2010.

Half of this decline came between 1993 and 2001. Between 2001 and 2009, violent crime declined at a more modest annual average of 4 percent, but that rate decline jumped to 13 percent in 2010.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2093620,00.html#ixzz1Zk1NiIA7

FBI Releases 2010 Crime Statistics
Washington, D.C. September 19, 2011

According to the figures released today by the FBI, the estimated number of violent crimes in 2010 declined for the fourth consecutive year. Property crimes also decreased, marking this the eighth straight year that the collective estimates for these offenses declined.

The 2010 statistics show that the estimated volumes of violent and property crimes declined 6.0 percent and 2.7 percent, respectively, when compared with the 2009 estimates. The violent crime rate for the year was 403.6 offenses per 100,000 inhabitants (a 6.5 percent decrease from the 2009 rate), and the property crime rate was 2,941.9 offenses per 100,000 persons (a 3.3 percent decrease from the 2009 figure).

These and additional data are presented in the 2010 edition of the FBI’s annual report Crime in the United States. This publication is a statistical compilation of offense and arrest data reported by law enforcement agencies voluntarily participating in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program.

***snip***

Each of the four violent crime offenses decreased when compared with the 2009 estimates. Robbery had the largest decrease at 10.0 percent, followed by forcible rape with a 5.0 percent decline, murder and nonnegligent manslaughter with a 4.2 percent decrease, and aggravated assault with a 4.1 percent decline.
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2010-crime-statistics

While it goes against logic, statistics show that more guns and more concealed weapons permit do not cause more crime. More guns and more carry permits may in fact be one of the main reasons that the violent crime rate has fallen so dramatically, but that is impossible to prove.

[mikeb302000]

32. now that's a controlled experiment. nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. How would *you* know? There's no indication he had a CHP in the article you linked to.

More mendacity and bafflegab from you, as usual.

[TheDebbieDee]

3. I think men who do this are mentally ill, but also smart enough

to choose their victims very carefully...........

[mikeb302000]

6. absolutely.

how about the ones who defend their actions?

[Eddie Haskell]

9. How about the people who keep our young people in wars

with no end?

[mikeb302000]

33. the worst. nt

[gejohnston]

14. show us one

case of anyone on my side defending anyone committing a crime. For each one I will show you five examples of your side attacking someone for simply not handing over their wallet and shooting only after getting shot.

[AtheistCrusader]

17. I don't think anyone here can really speak to the strawmen in your head.

[ingac70]

7. Crazy people shouldn't have concealed carry permits, or guns for that matter.....

PTSD is crazy.

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[ileus]

10. Looks like it's time to update King Mikes "those that can't own guns" list

[PavePusher]

15. I've know(n) tough ex-Marines like this..."

Lots of ex-Pat Marines in Italy, Mike? Enough of them in your circle of aquaintences for a statistically meaningfull sample?

This piece of vileness was well below even your well-known low-bar standards.

You have once again demonstrated your ignorance, bigotry, callousness, and mendacity for all to see.

Note that I am not defending the Marine you used as an example, I am attacking (yes, I chose the word deliberately) your unsupported and unsupportable stereotyping, wilfull ignorance, mass accusations and outright lies.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Sure, Italy send +3,000 troops into Iraq.

[azureblue]

20. unfortunately, the stats go Mike''s way

If you look at the number of reported households that have guns. Note that this does not seem to include illegal guns and unreported guns, nor number of firearms per residence, but does include murder committed with all guns accounted for.

The United State's murder rates and violent crime statistics through gun use are the highest in the world for advanced nations. The following numbers are based on firearm homicide per 100,000 people.

United States- 39% of households possess firearms and there is a 3.72 firearm homicide rate.

Italy- 16% of households contain guns and there is a 1.66 firearm homicide rate.

Note the wording difference: Possess, vs. contain. I can't see how this would make a difference, but there it is.

Once can see that, if the stats ware still accurate, if the percentage of guns in households in Italy was equated with the rate in the US then the homicide rate goes up in similar ratio. So Italians have the same proportionate gun homicide rate that the US does, if the ownership percentages are made equal.

However

Canada- 30% of households contain guns and there is a .76 firearm homicide rate.

Australia- 20% of households contain guns and there is a .44 firearm homicide rate.

England/Wales- 5% of households contain guns and there is a .11 firearm homicide rate.

Switzerland- 28% of households contain guns and there is a ..58 firearm homicide rate.

Germany- 8% of households contain guns and there is a .22 firearm homicide rate.

France- 23% of households contain guns and there is a .44 homicide rate.

Norway- 32% of households contain guns and there is a .23 homicide rate.

Shows that France, Canada, Norway and Switzerland own a higher percentage of guns per household, but have a much lower gun murder rate. Even if the stats are skewed or old, still, the US needs to get its gun murder rate down. A LOT. But how?

[gejohnston]

21. I see your point but

what is the total murder rate? You will find that Switzerland and Norway have lower murder rates than UK. UK also has the highest violent crime rate in Europe if not the world. Firearms are used in only one third of Canada's murders.
What is "advanced" and why does it matter in this discussion? The only reason I can think of is to filter out countries that have very strict UK style gun laws but have higher murder rates than we do. Mexico, Jamaica, Costa Rica, and Belize come to mind. I would define both Russia and South Africa as "advanced" yet South Africa makes us look like Singapore. While Russia has very few firearms homicides, their murder rate is still 4-5 times ours.

[iverglas]

25. why not do the research?

UK also has the highest violent crime rate in Europe if not the world.

This is tiresome fucking crap.

UK "violent crime rates" include minor assaults, as do Canada's. In US statistics, they do not.

The overwhelming majority of assaults in both places are minor ("common assault").

For starters.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/20/murder-rate-lowest-12-years

Murder rate lowest for 12 years

Home Office figures show overall crime fell by 5% in England and Wales

Thursday 20 January 2011 11.55 GMT

... Official Home Office figures published today also show that overall crime fell 5% according to the British Crime Survey and by 7% according to police figures in the year to September 2010.

The latest set of quarterly crime figures suggest that the sustained long-term trend in the fall of crime since 1995 by more than 45% has continued despite the economic recession and the accelerating rise in unemployment.

The fall in the murder rate in the 12 months to September 2010 was accompanied by a 9% fall in gun crime and a 6% fall in knife offences. The 619 deaths recorded on the homicide index was the lowest since the 606 murders in 1997/98. In 2009/10 , 421 victims were male and 198 were female.

... The Home Office figures published today show that England and Wales are in the middle of the European murder league at 13.5 deaths per million population. Finland tops the table at 23.4, followed by Scotland at 21.4, and Ireland on 20 per million. Northern Ireland now has a murder rate well below Scotland at 15.2. Austria has the lowest murder rate in Europe at 6.1 per million.

For England/Wales, that is a murder rate of 1.35/100,000. That is less than 1/4 the US rate.

When will the denizens of the dungeon stop pretending that years-old numbers and distorted comparisons are fact?

[gejohnston]

34. using their statistics

of course, we could talk about Japan and murder/suicides, which basically deflates the number of murders.

I noticed you failed to mention the murder rates, which is the real issue mentioned.
Besides, their problem is their own. Issues there or Canada has nothing to do with the US.

[iverglas]

39. what are you talking about???

I noticed you failed to mention the murder rates, which is the real issue mentioned.

My ENTIRE POST was about murder rates.

Besides, their problem is their own. Issues there or Canada has nothing to do with the US.

I DID NOT raise the issue.

You can either not talk about something you say is irrelevant, or talk about it and have it pointed out to you that what you say is incorrect. Your choice.

[gejohnston]

42. the original post was specifically

murder by firearm, not murder in general. Those are different things. The former gives a false impression, which is often intended.

[iverglas]

43. now read post 20 again

It is all about FIREARM homicide rates.

[gejohnston]

47. I did, and

I say again FIREARM homicide rates are not as important (other than political/propaganda purposes) than homicides REGARDLESS OF WEAPON. The former gives a false impression, which is often intended.
For example, Russia has very few FIREARMS homicides, but murder REGARDLESS OF WEAPON is nearly four times ours.

[jmg257]

22. "But how?" Well - let's see...

Re: Chicago:
"In 2005, 75% of murders involved a firearm, and 11% were the result of a stabbing..Over 75% of victims and 88% of offenders had a prior arrest history."

"In the Summer of 1999, the New Haven Gun Project...Some of the data presented included:
Most offenders had serious criminal histories."

"Forty percent of Baltimore’s homicide suspects and defendants charged with felony gun crimes...have prior gun arrests."



Trying to find exact numbers for the nation is hard, but seems that about generally at least 50% and as high as 75% of gun murder offenders have prior arrest records.

If we KNOW who will be/is responsible for 3/4 of the murders, figure it wouldn't be all that hard to come up with a way to reduce the murder rate.

From several cities reporting, it does seem that purposely targeting & prosecuting for violent & gun-related arrests with tougher sentences works.

Going after criminals who commit crimes to reduce crime rates? Go figure!

[iverglas]

24. the huge distinction between Canada etc. and the US

The firearms possessed by households outside the US are overwhelmingly not handguns.

They are long arms possessed for hunting and rural purposes, largely.

In Canada, handguns may be possessed only by qualified sports shooters and collectors, for example. Restrictions are of course much more stringent in the UK.

One thing this means is the pool of handguns available for criminal use (through theft, straw purchase, private purchase, subsequent acquisition after any of those) is vastly smaller.

Handgun homicides in Canada are virtually all gang-related (using stolen or smuggled handguns) or committed in the course of another crime like robbery.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/101026/dq101026a-eng.htm

Police reported 179 homicides committed with a firearm in 2009, 21 fewer than in 2008. In terms of rates, this was a 12% decline, reversing an upward trend recorded between 2002 and 2008. Prior to 2002, rates of firearm homicides had been declining since the mid-1970s.

Of the 179 firearm homicides, 112 involved handguns, 29 involved a rifle or shotgun and 14 a sawed-off rifle or shotgun. Declines were reported in all three of these categories in 2009.

Among the 10 largest CMAs, Vancouver and Toronto reported the highest rates of homicides committed with a firearm in 2009. Handguns remained the most common type of firearm involved in homicides in major metropolitan areas.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2010003/article/11352-eng.htm
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2010003/article/11352/tbl/tbl04-eng.htm

The table won't reproduce here, of course.

1999-2009 -- e.g.:
handgun homicides rose from 89 to 112
shotgun/rifle homicides fell from 58 to 29

Recall that this is a country in which the population was 30,750,000 in 2000 and nearly 34,000,000 in 2009. That's a handgun homicide rate of roughly 0.33/100,000 in 2009.

In 2009 there were 179 firearm homicides. That's actually a rate of about 0.53/100,000.

The 0.76/100,000 rate for firearms homicides must come from around 2005, when firearms homicides peaked at 223 ... although hm, even that would have been only around 0.7/100,000.

[gejohnston]

35. how about total murders?

most of our gun deaths are gang related too, so what?

[iverglas]

40. WHAT about total murders???

How am I supposed to know what you're saying?

[gejohnston]

41. regardless of weapon of course.

[rl6214]

44. "I'm the first one to talk about shared responsibility"

Yeah, sure you are. Why don't you run for president? Oh yeah, that's right, you're an illegal gun owner that fled the country and is living in italy while whorking for the UN trying to get gun control enacted.

"but I can also recognize an angry young man who can't help but brutalize his girlfriend and shoot the cop who tries to intervene, a cop who happens to be female too."

Ah, so now you're a psychologist that knows what's in the guys head and you KNOW he has problems with all women.


"By the way, did anyone check to see if he'd been the legal owner of that gun,"

Kinda like you with your illegal gun ownership?


"By the way, did anyone check to see...that he'd had a concealed carry licence? No, I don't think anyone did"

Your news story, your job isn't it? But I doubt that you checked because you don't want to because it dosen't fit your anti-gun zealotry.

Unrec for your normal blog spamming and the other usual reasons.

[gejohnston]

48. update

Deputy De Veaux is in good condition and Buendia was given the absurdly low (given the charges) bail of $65K. Hillsborough County appealed.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_tampa/bond-set-at-$65,000-for-man-accused-of-shooting-deputy