Police body slam leaves grandpa bloody, unconscious at Wal-Mart

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Raw Story

Police body slam leaves grandpa bloody, unconscious at Wal-Mart
By David Edwards
Friday, November 25, 2011

Witnesses say police officers tackled a grandfather at an Arizona Wal-Mart Friday, leaving him bloody and unconscious.

The video game section of the Buckeye store got a little rowdy when people started trying to tear open boxes of games, and one woman got punched.

After one man’s grandson got trampled, he put the video game he was holding in his waistband in order to free up his hands and lift the boy out of the crowd, according to KSAZ.

That’s when cops moved in, slamming the grandfather’s head on the hard Wal-Mart floor. The aftermath was caught on cell phone video.



Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/25/police-body-slam-leaves-grandpa-bloody-unconscious-at-wal-mart/

[Enrique]

1. they should make a video game about shopping at Wal Mart

:scared:

[arcane1]

4. It would be rated unsuitable for children n/t

[christx30]

12. That would be easy

Just a simple mod of Dead Space or Doom III would be good. Actually any zombie game would work. Object starts off with getting Skyrim, but then that goes away and you just want to get out of there with no broken limbs.

[Historic NY]

24. They have a website..............

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos :scared::wow:

[Tyrs WolfDaemon]

64. That will be part of the next Batman or Military Sim game

[zonkers]

71. You might be a genius.

[Sabriel]

157. Call of Capitalism: Modern Shopping n/t

[JHB]

159. National Lampoon's "Shopping at Wally World"...

Clark Griswald and family go Black Friday shopping at a moose-themed big-box discount store.

Mayhem ensues.

[tabasco]

2. Police work attracts some of the most stupid people.

Most police units have very low standards.

[avaistheone1]

37. Beyond stupid, you have to a sociopath or pschopath cop to respond with

that kind of brutality over a simple theft.

This is most sickening.

[pennylane100]

53. I was just talking to my cousin in England

and he said he had just read that the police over here had the lowest IQ among professional occupations.

[HillWilliam]

63. According to a friend of mine, we do the same thing here

As he put it: we take the least-intelligent and least-motivated segment of the population


. . .


and give 'm a gun.

[LiberalFighter]

150. Does he have source to that study? I would be interested.

[pennylane100]

152. Well I can ask him next time I talk to him.

and the article he read referred to the police in the US. I will talk to him sometime in the next two or three weeks.

[Lorien]

100. It wasn't even a theft. He put it in his waistband to save his grandson from being trampled

by the hoards. He never tried to leave with it.

[itsrobert]

140. You are exactly right

I don't know how they can even charge him, because the standard is the person has to at least attempt to leave the store without paying. Looks like they guy has good standing on a lawsuit.

[LiberalFighter]

151. Why were the police even in the store?

[pitohui]

163. yeah right. i think if he was out to rescue grandson he would have dropped the game

on the floor and hurried to his grandson

let's not pretend the guy isn't a shoplifter, he's without a question a thief, however, the cops are not allowed to respond to shoplifting with this level of force

[msongs]

3. gotta protect those profits, not the safety of customers. nt

[RKP5637]

5. The dollar bill rules, people, just in the way of the sleazy corporate machine. Give us

your money and STFU.

[avaistheone1]

38. Surely life is cheap. Toilet paper is expensive.

:sarcasm:

[RKP5637]

40. Yep, it's getting to be a luxury item! n/t

[Judi Lynn]

6. AP: Ariz. grandfather roughed up by police in Walmart

Ariz. grandfather roughed up by police in Walmart

Associated Press | Posted: Friday, November 25, 2011 2:01 pm |

Police in the Phoenix suburb of Buckeye are coming under fire for a video posted online Friday that shows a grandfather unconscious on the floor of a Walmart with a bloody face after police said he was caught trying to shoplift.

The video shows 54-year-old Jerald Allen Newman unconscious and covered in blood after a police officer took him to the ground Thursday night.

Officers in the video are shown trying to sop up blood as outraged customers yell expletives and say, "That's police brutality," and "He wasn't doing anything."

The man's wife and other witnesses say that Newman was trying to help his young grandson after the boy was trampled by shoppers, and only put a video game in his waistband to free his hands to help the boy.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/ariz-grandfather-roughed-up-by-police-in-walmart/article_a547a790-3770-53ce-aaab-c39b7e3a4424.html

[avaistheone1]

43. If he went unconscious and his head was banged then he has a brain injury.

Sue those bastard cops and Walmart. I hope this fellow makes millions of bucks.

[cyberpj]

75. I lost my father when he fainted related to too much heart medication and hit his head on the

concrete garage floor. He was just returning from the christening party of his first grandson, got out of the car and when down on his way to the door.

He was only 'out' for seconds; then spoke -saying he was fine and didn't need to go to hospital. We called for ambulance anyway due to loss of consciousness and he went to rural hospital first and was then air-lifted to larger hospital with head trauma unit. I met him there and he was still complaining about having to go through all this hospital stuff and all he wanted to do was go home. I said they had to watch him at least overnight, talked for a while, then left and said I'd see him in the morning.

That was the last time I was able to speak to my Dad. The next morning he was already in ICU and they were preparing to do surgery for the pressure from brain swelling. He never got better. In fact, he never even regained any brain signal activity. He was on a ventilator for a long time before my step-mother could bring herself to let him go.

This poor guy was out cold for an awful long time that I could see. I certainly don't believe the cops' story OR that they needed to use such force. I hope he does okay and recovers and yes - sues the shit out of them.

[left on green only]

94. I am sorry for your loss of your father

I have been inspired to write to you because almost the exact same thing happened to me, only a matter of weeks ago. Too much heart medication was also the factor in my case. I live alone in the rural forest at Yosemite, and I have no family. In my case, I walked into the bathroom and reached up to close an open window. Then I passed out and fell hitting my head on the porcelain tub. I don't know how long I was out, but when I regained consciousness, the buzzing in my head would not go away. I called 911 and ended up taking a 50 mile ride in a med-evac to the only hospital in the area with a cardio unit. They started with a cat-scan and finished about one week later by stopping my heart for an instant and then starting it back up again, only with its' beating in rhythm with itself this time, instead of the way it was before. I'm home now, and none for the worse. Except I know now that it is just a matter of time. But I do hope I get to stay around long enough to see the repukes soundly defeated in the next election. That would make me so happy. The truly remarkable aspect of the whole experience is that I received all of that wonderful treatment with them knowing that I don't have any insurance, or money to pay for it on my own. And for that I am truly grateful.

[cyberpj]

125. Thanks.

I'm glad you made out better. Atrial Fib? Sounds like. Especially the heart stop and go treatment. (It didn't work for him and they did it twice.) Anyway, that's why my Dad was taking Coumadin -I think that's the name of it.

How wonderful to hear that people still get treatment without insurance! I thought maybe those days were over now what with corporate, for-profit healthcare everywhere.

And hey! don't be counting your days - as long as they adjust your meds right you should do ok. Both my grandmother (who lived until 98) and my Dad had A-Fib and it wasn't the actual heart problem that killed either of them. You know that saying - it's never what your worry about most that 'gets' you.

Alone in the forest with no family? I can see where that would be good and bad at the same time. With divorced parents who both remarried I've been experiencing a lot of loss lately and feeling more lonely myself. My Dad went in 2007, my Mom died suddenly of lung-cancer in 2008, my best-girlfriend (since 3rd grade!)died in 2009 of the exact same cancer as my Mom and this year my step-Mom died of complications from Diabetes. Now it's just my step-Dad that's left. Well... and one son who has a lot of trouble with life due to alcohol.

Still, a nice place in a forest sounds pretty appealing to someone in a manufactured home so at least there's that. and having a computer and the Internet helps, I'm sure. If you ever get too lonely don't hesitate to PM me, I'm on my computer a lot --actually, due to DU, a bit too much. :D

[mdmc]

121. sorry to hear about your pops

[cyberpj]

126. Thank you. nt

[Turbineguy]

7. What are they putting

in the air?

[Marthe48]

8. Bush's culture of hate

Hard to put the brakes on as we race down the slippery slope of anything goes.

[RKP5637]

9. Yep, exactly!!! n/t

[Enrique]

18. ownership society

own or be owned. :patriot:

[G_j]

51. sorry to say it goes back a lot further than Bush

They used to sell post cards of lynchings, for example.

[Marthe48]

149. Yes they did--I felt hopeful we were all going forward--

if not less hate, then more visible humanity? But Bush set that back a 100 years too.

[RKP5637]

10. No wonder citizens want to be armed if this crap gets even worse. n/t

[LARED]

11. 500 years from now anthropologists

will look back on black Friday idiocy and tell contemporaries it was part of the collapse of Western civilization.

And frankly anyone going to a big box store on black Friday needs their head examined.

[L. Coyote]

17. I'm an anthropologist and

I did that yesterday :rofl:

[mysuzuki2]

41. I also an an anthropologist -PhD Uwm 1980. Where are you based?

What kind of anthro work are you currently involved with?

[rucognizant]

68. My thinking exactly!

[lbrtbell]

78. Black Friday needs to be online-only

Keep people at home to do their power shopping, and these problems wouldn't exist.

It's just insanity.

[Missy Vixen]

13. I hope the grandfather has an excellent lawyer

I also hope he was taken to the hospital for an extensive exam ASAP.

Hey, Wal-Mart, you'll be writing a check that wipes out ALL profit from Black Friday in that store, at the very least.

[spedtr90]

14. Handcuffing an unconscious man and moving his head and neck!

Do they have any first aide training? If he had a neck injury from the body-slam, they made it much worse. Who doesn't know that? Hope he will be OK...

[TorchTheWitch]

67. and leaving him face down in a pool of his own blood

And then making it worse by rolling him over flat on his back without immediately leaning him forward or to the side so the blood gushing from his nose didn't cause him to aspirate either. I know our local police get some general medical training and would have known this kind of stuff. I would have figured all police did as well since they're very often the first on the scene. Looked to me like both officers were just totally stunned with no idea what to do. Thank goodness that one guy stepped in to assist. They just looked completely clueless.

[avaistheone1]

108. I don't normally call the cops "pigs" but in this case they truly are.

Actually pigs are better than these cops. I apologize for the slur on pigs.

This incident has me furious.

[Dont call me Shirley]

15. Is the "Arapiao trainee" going to be put on administrative leave?

Let's start a new tv show "Cops Gone Wild", there's enough footage to last a whole season or more.

Good healing to the grandfather.

[L. Coyote]

16. BOYCOTT WAL*MART

Why enrich the richest people with your business? Support Mom and Pop stores.

Boycott ALL Mall*Warts :rofl:

[FreakinDJ]

19. If you are not already Boycotting Walmart

[quakerboy]

61. +1

Also boycott black Friday.

Unless you enjoy the fighting. I mean, there are people who get into the whole MMA thing, and black Friday is not so different, by news reports. Team sports, crush the other team, that kinda thing.

But in that case, no police brutality need be added. Hopefully this guy(and his family) will get a nice big piece outa their(WM+PD) hides.

That said, what was this guy thinking, bringing his grandson with him? Unless they are big enough to join you in a phalanx offense, leave them home.

[savannah43]

74. You mean Mal-Wart don't you?

[UnrepentantLiberal]

153. Yup.

I can't boycott them more than I already do. (And Arizona.)

[rtassi]

21. I don't like Wallmart any better then you do ...

but, why hasn't anyone posted about the insane behavior of the customers ... This so called saving frenzy ... to be the first to get the Oh so limited supply of a freaking video game ... that little Kaitlyn and Connor just can't live without ... You can't continue to blame everything that STUPID greedy people do on a department store. This is uncivilized behavior nothing more nothing less ... And its US doing it!

[kestrel91316]

23. Walmart encourages the frenzy by its policies. And they do so for one motive: profit.

[joeglow3]

70. Can Walmart do ANYTHING right?

Now you are blaming them because they offer too good of deals?

[CoffeeCat]

91. CNBC discussed the Black Friday deals...

...at length on Wednesday. This year, prices were drastically cut in such a way
to create a near-frenzy. This was done purely to get people into their stores, of
course for profits. And Walmart is notorious for only offering a certain number of
these highly sought-after deals--which creates the frenzy. Walmart doesn't have to do
things this way. They could have more than 30 Black Friday laptops.

This is all designed to get the consumer whipped into a frenzy. Some of the blame
goes to Walmart for sure.

CNBC did a huge piece on this--about this year retailers are incredibly desperate. Their
inventories are very high, consumer confidence is in the toilet and retailers absolutely
need Black Friday to be a success--or they're in trouble.

This is why the stores opened at midnight on Thanksgiving this year. These stores figure
if they can offer great deals and get you to go their FIRST--you'll shop and buy other
things.

It's the retailers who are desperate for profits--and shoppers are somewhat desperate
because many of them are out of work or just trying to stretch their dollars. There's
a lot of desperation on both ends of the equation--but ultimately--it's the retailers
who set up these pressure-cooker situations--and they damn well know what they are doing.

[joeglow3]

144. Our city has 10 Walmarts and 3 Best Buys

This, they have 250 Compaq laptops and 600 HP Laptops for sale. In a city of 500,000, having 1,000 cheap laptops is pretty good. Compare that with Best Buy, which had 1 lap top on sale and THREE of them in each store. I would choose Walmart's tactic over Best Buy's any day.

[suninvited]

95. they have great deals

advertised heavily.

Only problem is, they sometimes only have four or five of the advertised items per store and hundreds of customers seeking those items.

You do the math.

[joeglow3]

145. As mentioned above, you are confusing WalMart with Best Buy

[LeftyMom]

112. It's really easy to handle these sort of items and crowds if you want to do it.

Before the store opens, you go out to the assembled masses and you tell them "we have X number of item Y in stock, raise your hand if you're planning on buying one." Then if you want people to line up you start handing the tickets that correspond to that item to each person in line until you run out. If you don't want people to line up you hand out numbers and then draw for winners right before the store opens.

Either way you let people in the store a few at a time, so nobody tramples anybody or runs to get whatever is such a big damned deal.

Anybody with a room temperature IQ can figure out how to do this safely. WalMart does it unsafely because all those people lined up, and the visuals of the mad rush of people and the tramplings tell the people at home that WalMart is worth all that and that they should shop there. They don't make money on the stuff they sell BF morning, they make money on all the free advertising they get when every news crew in the area comes by their stores, and when people driving by see idiots in tents lined up and think the deals must be worth that.

[joeglow3]

146. That is EXACTLY how they did it at every Walmart in our town

We got the cheap Compaq laptop. It went on sale at 12:00 and they began handing out tickets at 7:00. You HAD to stay in line in order to get it. You could turn your ticket over to go to the bathroom. After 5 minutes, it was forfeit and went to someone else. I got my ticket at 8:00 and had number 1. I sat in line for 4 hours with a book and walked out with my laptop - no issues.

Where you see the issues is the tool bags who line up and fight for the 200 $2 waffle makers they have. Much harder to have tickets/lines for EVERY SINGLE ITEM that is for sale.

[rhett o rick]

25. Code Alert, Code Alert. This poster is speaking in code. nm

[lob1]

36. But the customer did nothing wrong. You can stick a

package in your waistband, you can stick it up your ass, but you haven't broken the law until you leave the store with it without paying. The cop should be arrested and jailed.

[caseymoz]

42. That's absolutely incorrect, in my state at least.

If the store staff sees you hide merchandise in your pocket, you will be charged with shoplifting, and since the statute defines it that way, you will more than likely be convicted. I don't know for sure, but that's probably why the charge is shoplifting and not "theft."

So, I suggest you check your state statutes before you put something in your pocket or up your ass just for the convenience, and end up with a full-body cavity search along with the embarrassment of arrest and the lifelong onus of a conviction.

[Demit]

62. In his waistband isn't concealment.

[caseymoz]

118. I was picturing him in a winter coat.

It is that time of year. And since he implied that he could put it up his ass (which would get him up on other charges) that's a reasonable assumption.

[Demit]

131. Why are you assuming anything at all?

The man would be put on trial for what he did, not for what he implied he could do.

[caseymoz]

136. Assuming? Look at you. I never mentioned his waistband to begin with.

Go back on my original post to him. He mentioned in the pocket, in his waistband and up his ass. I mentioned the pocket, and up his ass, but didn't mention waistband. You solicited my opinion on the matter and I went along with it, but I originally left it out for the exact reason you brought up. He thought he could carry in-store merchandise any way he wanted but it wasn't a crime until he left without paying. He needed to be warned not to try it. The exact examples weren't important to the information I have gave him.

Besides a judge or jury would be told if he were wearing a coat or not. I wouldn't be on the jury, so I'm not assuming anything. I'm giving hypotheticals on a hypothetical.

Since your posts have now taken a zany troll-like twist, I'm not answering this thread anymore.

[atreides1]

147. It is that time of year

But in Arizona it isn't that cold right now...besides they showed a picture of the man in question laid out on the floor and he wasn't wearing jacket.

[WonderGrunion]

45. In many states you're wrong

Hiding an object in your clothing while you're still in a store constitutes criminal concealment and carries identical penalties to shoplifting.

[Lorien]

98. It's not "hiding" if it's visible

the situation was clear to everyone; except the idiot cop. Is a video game that precious? There are no justifications for attacking someone like that, period.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

99. Jeeze. I better check Illinois statutes. I'm constantly placing ....

.....small items such as plumbing or electrical parts in my coat pocket when I'm in Home Depot. I make a habit of emptying my pockets at the register even when I'm "sure" I haven't used my pocket as a cart - just to be extra safe. I usually wear fleece coats when working or doing projects.

That said, I've never heard of anyone actually being arrested pre-store-exit. I'm sure the laws are in place for the hard-core gang oriented shoplifters - you know, the type who waddle out of a store with a microwave under their skirt.

[caseymoz]

119. If you notice, though, most stores have a sign that says

"We prosecute all shoplifters." Yes, check the statutes.

It's probably fortunate if you only did that at Home Depot, where I think surveillance cameras might have a more difficult time. It also might have to do with store policies. If enough shoppers at Home Depot did the same thing, I doubt the store would follow the letter of the law. It would be a PR fiasco.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

128. I see a lot of contractors doing it. I'm pretty sure HD's policy is pretty hands-off till you leave....

But there is always this:


A couple years ago, I read an article about a contractor "banned for life" from HD for "stealing" a carpenter's pencil. I think they have them at the register for $.29 cents.

In fact, here is an old article. It appears they apologized. Speaking of PR disasters:

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/22124-home-depot-accuses-customer-stealing-pencil.html

METHUEN, Mass. -- Home Depot Inc. has apologized to a carpenter who was banned by the chain after he absent-mindedly pocketed a pencil sitting next to a cash register.

Michael Panorelli, 51, of Lawrence, was accused of shoplifting from the Methuen store last Thursday and banned from Home Depots worldwide.

Panorelli was with a client and had just bought some lumber when he used the pencil to do some quick math. He pocketed the pencil and was met in the parking lot by a loss-prevention worker who asked for identification.

The worker presented Panorelli with one letter saying he was banned from Home Depot, and another advising that he would be hearing from the company's lawyers.

.... more at link.
... the store.

[caseymoz]

130. I'm pretty sure contractors commonly pocket things.

I mean, they have a lot of things they'd just incidentally remember to pick up, and they're short of hands, and probably for a larger item, didn't get a cart. I mean, HD should know their customers and make allowances.

You just better not don't go to a Target or a Walmart and try it.

[Lorien]

97. Exactly. Is that so hard to understand?

I shop with my own bags and I put the items in the bags as I walk through the store (less visible than in a waistband). I've never once been questioned by anyone in any store about it....but then I don't shop at Walmart.

[xxqqqzme]

138. I do that too.

Mostly because I frequently walk to the market. I put stuff in the bag to make certain I can carry it comfortably

[rtassi]

134. You may be right about the waistband thing ... and you will

here no empathy concerning cops from me .... I was making a general comment about consumers knowingly and willingly participating in an event whether orchestrated or not by Wallmart, that has the potential annually to get this out of control. At some point the individual, regardless of circumstances, must assume responsibility for allowing themselves to be maneuvered into a potentially chaotic and harmful situation. As long as we are willing to line up, and they know we are, for fewer items then can be purchased by the crowd ... competing then to buy them as a promotional effort to fill the store ... they will do it! We don't have to participate ...

[pitohui]

164. you are absolutely wrong, the customer canNOT stick a package in his pants

the minute he put the game in his pants, he became a shoplifter...and he damn well knew it

nobody wakes up at age 54 and decides to start shoplifting, this is a sport or a part-time business that someone starts in their youth

you obviously are not a shoplifter and you don't know the score, but just in case you ever get a wild hair NO YOU CANNOT STICK OTHER PEOPLE'S ITEMS IN YOUR PANTS WITHOUT PAYING FOR THEM FIRST

sheesh

you really think you can stick a box "up your ass" and not get arrested until you've already made a break for it? dream fucking on!

[jmowreader]

83. You mean the "oh so limited supply"

that they've got two skids of, sitting on a truck that's parked at a truck stop waiting for Monday morning when the sale ends?

[rtassi]

135. Yes! n/t

[Ikonoklast]

122. And what, exactly, does that vhave to do with the violence done by hired goons against a customer?

You are so busy blaming the victim here, you forgot who did what to whom.

[rtassi]

137. Please don't be intentionally dense ... it's out of fashion ..

I didn't blame the "Victim" and I did NOT forget who did what to whom! I did indicate that everyone who participates in the manufactured herding, buying frenzy, designed to force people to line up, and then compete for a limited supply of a popular item ... IS INTENTIONALLY placing themselves in that situation ... It is a choice, and you can choose NOT to participate ...

[Ikonoklast]

139. Yes, you did blame the victim.

No one goes shopping expecting to be assaulted by store security.

Maybe that happens in your dim corner of the world, but NO ONE expects to be put in an emergency room by hired goons.

If anyone is being intentionally dense, it's you, kind poster, and you must hate getting called on it.

Enjoy your stay.

[rtassi]

142. Actually I don't mind being called out ... quite up for it ...

but, if your going to attempt to call me out ... then do it based on fact ... I did not blame the victim .. re-read the post if you like and confirm that ... My dim corner of the world you say ... Well, Ok I guess I earned that by calling you dense ... if that makes you feel better, I'm good with it ... No one may go to Wallmart expecting to be assaulted by store security, but if they go stand in line in the cold using heaters, observing that many others are doing the same ... then at some point, it should occur to them that a deliberate competitive environment is being set up ... and un evolved human nature being what it is ... if everyone is attempting to be the first to reach a particular popular item with limited supply, then obviously only the most aggressive are going to get it ... It is easy to see then how shoving, pushing, and verbal rebukes would turn into a situation like the one that occurred, with perhaps an innocent "victim" being hurt ... If you won't concede at least that ... seems like we don't need to continue this ... As far as enjoying my stay ... I have been enjoying my stay, and will continue to do so on my terms since 03, when DU at it's best, produced spirited discussions, where most participants made an effort to understand the intent of a post before responding to it ...

[Paka]

30. Thank you L. Coyote.

I made a vow years ago never to set foot in a walmart and I intend to keep that promise to myself.

As for the violent police action, shouldn't a shopper at least be near/headed to the door before before an accusation of shop lifting comes into the picture?

:wtf:

[L. Coyote]

123. It is not shoplifting until you bypass the payment station and leave the store

You are not stealing merchandise if you have not left the building. I admit ignorance of any laws regarding concealment, but if you want to make a case, catch the "customer" after the deed is complete. I have often carried merchandise to a register in a pocket (or in my stomach, then paid for the wrapper).

[dballance]

20. Just Say NO - that's what my parents did

Just say NO, you are not going to get toy X under the Xmas tree.

Why the hell are you fighting and mauling other people for a frecking toy they can get anywhere in about two weeks?

You are stupid assholes in the control of Wal Mart and other big box stores.

[russspeakeasy]

22. ..fighting, mauling, standing in line, and pissing their pants

to save $20............these are the same people who drive 50 miles out of their way to use their $1 off coupon.

[cap]

28. if there was enough for everyone, there wouldn't be this frenzy

If people knew that the store was going to be stocked such that if they showed up that day at any time, there wouldn't be a crush. If there are only 20 flat screens at $199, people are going to get wild. Especially when they are working at a job that just doesn't pay that much. At a certain salary level, if there is a TV for $199 that's the one you can afford.

The whole nasty business just feeds on itself. Appeal to people's base instincts, create an environment that allows it, and wonder why stuff gets out of control.

Retailers sell us on our identity is based on our stuff. No stuff. No identity. You are your stuff. That's the problem.

That's why there's a war on Thanksgiving... who wants people to have family time and be distracted from acquisition.

[russspeakeasy]

31. Yup!

[Pacifist Patriot]

39. I honestly don't understand the mentality.

I cannot come up with a single thing sold at Walmart that I can't live without out or find somewhere else if I had to.

[SemperEadem]

26. between this guy being assaulted by police,

the idiot spraying pepper spray in another wal mart and then someone being shot during a botched robbery at yet another wal mart, I think that the time has come for wal mart to be avoided by reasonable people who have principles. I mean, one can go buy that same video game online from the comfort of their own home--anyone can buy what they need from home and have it delivered. Better still--patronize locally owned stores.

However, the problem is that the people who will convince themselves it's brilliant policy to go stand outside a walmart in the middle of the night to risk being trampled and assaulted for something that their kid will lose interest in 3 days after xmas are the very same people who do not and will not get what OWS is all about; that they, too, are part of the 99%; but like the 20 yr old idiot who was interviewed at the store where the shoppers were pepper sprayed said, they "don't care--they're there to get a TV". They are there to exercise their constitutional right to consume on an obscene scale, because that's what xmas is about to them. If they had any god damned sense whatsoever, they would have stayed home today to send a message to wal mart and other mega stores that they need to rely on the 1% to pull their asses through this retail hell of the next 4 weeks and not on the 99%, who do not have the disposable income to help those mega stores square their balance sheets.

That'll never happen because many of the 99% don't get that they actually are the 99%... that's something those godless, dirty hippies are, not them. They've got their barely above minimum wage job; fux noose tells them they have a right to spend their money on cheap ass Chinese bullshit and force the cashier to tell them "merry xmas" or else they'll have a tantrum right there in the store.

I am so sick of xmas and I still have a month to go til it's over.

[onethatcares]

34. can't you just hear,

"Outside the snow is falling and
friends are calling yoohoo"?

Yeah, I'm over Christmas already too. fuck all the buying of shit and standing in lines and everything that goes with it.

Those same people you are talking abou don't want universal single payer healthcare either because it's socialism.

gaud, I'm tired of it.

Nice meeting you though. Good luck and I hope to see you on the other side. Peace

[Paka]

35. You are so right, SemperEadem.

I'm an old broad, so I actually remember a time before "black Friday money madness." What a great descriptive turn of phrase, "to exercise their constitutional right to consume on an obscene scale." How sad, to throw away money you don't have on cheap junk you neither need nor want simply because the PTB has brainwashed you. :puke:

[dixiegrrrrl]

50. I know I am not the only one on DU who has simply STOPPED with the holiday rituals.

Once the kids got grown, that was it for me.

I know many folks, over a certain age, and/or retired, who simply do not bother with the "have to" pressure of the commercial, artificial holiday spirit.
The "holiday spirit" that used to be is long long gone, for me at least.

[chervilant]

66. Right there with you,

except that I consciously decided not to have children of my own (grew up in abuse, didn't want to perpetuate it).

Furthermore, I have never participated in any 'black friday' insanity, and I never will.

Lastly, Wally World can kiss my shiney hiney--I just don't shop there.

None of my friends do the consumer christmas crap, and I have managed to avoid most of my family's 'celebrations.' I can't wait until January...

[Lorien]

103. I send out cards and a few secondhand or handmade gifts to friends

and what little family I have left. That's about it.

[rtassi]

143. YES! n/t

[PatrynXX]

27. as far as I know he wasn't stealing anything. if I didn't have a 3rd hand I'd be putting stuff in

my pockets. common sense. yeah walmart attracts the dumbest of the cops. Ironic was listening on the police radio via smart phone and we had an unconsious man at walmart lat last night. don't know the end of that except that he became aware...

[WonderGrunion]

46. Putting unpaid for merchandise in your clothing

is criminal concealment in many states and a crime equal to shoplifting.

[dash_bannon]

127. Even so...

Even so, that does not warrant violent action against someone. Seriously, the guy was an old man trying to get a video game for his grandson.

Now, if Gramps had been violent with the cops, I could see a violent response happening.

This was not the case. There was NO justification for violence.

[Ash_F]

29. They completely failed basic first aid on the guy.

...tilting his head forward and trying to stand him up. Why does some random person from the crowd need to correct these cops on stuff they should have learned in high school?

The sheriff said the video doesn't show them doing anything wrong. He's damn wrong, what little it shows they did was wrong. :mad:

[They_Live]

59. You're correct,

they should have immobilized the neck and spine before even flipping him over. I hope he sues them into oblivion.

[Ash_F]

90. True but the main problem is tilting the head forward was choking him

Neck injury is one thing to consider but the big mistake they made was that by pushing his head forward, they forced his tongue to the back of his throat blocking his airway. This exacerbates that snoring noise he was making which is an indicator of airway blockage. They should have laid him supine and performed a head-tilt chin lift or jaw thrust.

Now that I think about it, the only reason I learned this in high school was because I needed red-cross certification for a job. Otherwise it would not have been in my curriculum. It should be taught in every high school health class in the country though and certainly to every cop. It is not complicated stuff.

But what the officers did at first was worse than just leaving him face down.

[TorchTheWitch]

69. obviously it doesn't because all it shows is the aftermath

when the guy was already on the floor face down in a pool of his own blood (which he could easily have aspirated on). They also claim that they went to Walmart to get surveillance video of theirs and say that the store didn't have any. Say what? They have all that police presence in the store but no surveillance cameras running??? Baloney.

[Horse with no Name]

82. Bullshit on that

IF a Walmart employee uses his discount card "suspiciously"===at another store they don't work at===they can pull that video up at any other store.

Another friend works at Walmart and the electronics departments are FULLY wired with video. IF there isn't a video, it is because it was destroyed.

[TorchTheWitch]

166. Apparently we agree

Though I'm not sure what you're calling bullshit on. I think it's pretty much a no-brainer that the store had to have had video surveillance going on. Therefore, the store or the police claiming no video exists is just a load of poo.

[SheilaT]

104. WalMart is notorious for having

"cameras" that do not actually record anything. Unlike Target.

Several years ago in Overland Park, KS, a teenage girl was abducted from a Target (I lived less than a mile from that store at the time) and surveillance video was released to the news media within 24 hours, and all sort of people (including a nephew of mine) said, Oh, I know that guy, or Oh, I recognize that truck. The guy was caught, although not after he'd killed the girl, unfortunately. In the aftermath, I heard any number of stories about similar things happening at WalMarts, and guess what? Their "surveillance cameras" were purely for show, and there was never any video to look at.

[TorchTheWitch]

167. I have a really hard time believing that

Any store would have video surveillance because of theft. I can't believe that Walmart is more interested in installing "fake" video cameras other than real ones and actually having video recordings because of theft. The video would be used to secure a conviction a hell of a lot more easily, too, which is also in the store's interest. I think they claim they don't have video surveillance or recordings of that surveillance whenever they find it to be convenient for them.

[LizW]

117. They sure did.

They sure did. You can see when the nurse comes up to help, she's gesturing that they need to open his airway. Bless her for being willing to help in that situation. There's going to be a lawsuit.

[PatrynXX]

32. So the reason this was justified...

Was he was shoplifting? When? I don't think he's out side the store yet. Let alone passed the sensors. Any normal shoplifter would not be that stupid. It was simply a knee jerk and someone got very injured. Think thats 3 people Walmart lost as customers...

Gotta love these new forms of cops. Trying to provoke a riot at every turn.

[WonderGrunion]

47. It may still have been a crime

Simply placing unpaid merchandise inside your clothing is criminal concealment in many states and is a crime equal in severity to shoplifting.

[Occupy_2012]

93. Shoplifting isn't a violent crime.

Even if putting the merchandise in your clothing is a crime, the guy wasn't leaving the store or violently attacking anyone. It would be normal procedure to tell the guy to remove the object, not slam his brains out on the floor. It's relatively inexpensive merchandise compared to a wrongful death lawsuit and the bad publicity. How many people in that area are now going to forbid their kids from going to that store because it's dangerous? Or not go themselves?

Not to mention apparently there's no procedure or training there for handling injured customers. At a busy store that's inexcusable. And if there were cops there, why weren't they attempting to save the child themselves rather than kill his grandpa?

[SheilaT]

105. Several decades ago when I worked at a retail store,

we were told that it could not be considered shoplifting until the person actually left the store with unpaid goods.

[harmonicon]

116. Ha!! You think they'll stop shopping there?! No way. It's their god. nt.

[pitohui]

165. it was not justified, dude committed a crime but you don't handle his crime like this

there's no doubt that he put the game in his waistband, this seems to be agreed upon by everyone, if the "i was trying to save grandson" story were true, then he would have simply dropped the game and gone to his grandson, not tried to stash goodies in his pants --

so he did a stupid thing and invented a stupid excuse when he got caught -- and lying, weaseling self excusers are not real sympathetic to security staff or LEOs and i can understand that they got pissed off BUT security staff/LEOs are not allowed to respond to a nonviolent crime with this degree of force -- they are supposed to be trained professionals who know how to handle a situation, not goons indulging in a fit of temper because they were disrespected by a thief w. a stupid story

everybody was in the wrong here

[IADEMO2004]

33. Is it shoplifting if you haven't tried to get past the checkout?

[WonderGrunion]

48. No, but it was likely criminal concealment.

Which is a crime equal in severity to shoplifting with equal sentencing guidelines in many states.

[Missy Vixen]

96. It's not a death penalty crime

No matter how many times you repeat your info about "criminal concealment", it doesn't make what happened to the grandpa at Wal-Mart worthy of lying on a concrete floor, unconscious, in a pool of his own blood.

That $50 or so computer game is going to cost Wal-Mart millions at the least, and bad PR they'll never erase. "Criminal concealment" is the least of their problems right now.

[SoapBox]

44. Good gawd...the Police Militia out of control.

Your TAX DOLLARS at work.

[WonderGrunion]

49. The force was way too excessive, but he did break the law in Arizona

http://law.justia.com/codes/arizona/2005/title13/01805.html

2005 Arizona Code - Revised Statutes §13-1805 Shoplifting; detaining suspect; defense to wrongful detention; civil action by merchant; classification; public services in lieu of fines

A. A person commits shoplifting if, while in an establishment in which merchandise is displayed for sale, the person knowingly obtains such goods of another with the intent to deprive that person of such goods by:

1. Removing any of the goods from the immediate display or from any other place within the establishment without paying the purchase price; or

2. Charging the purchase price of the goods to a fictitious person or any person without that person's authority; or

3. Paying less than the purchase price of the goods by some trick or artifice such as altering, removing, substituting or otherwise disfiguring any label, price tag or marking; or

4. Transferring the goods from one container to another; or

5. Concealment.

B. Any person who knowingly conceals upon himself or another person unpurchased merchandise of any mercantile establishment while within the mercantile establishment is presumed to have the necessary culpable mental state pursuant to subsection A of this section.

Many states have similar laws on the books regarding concealing merchandise.

[uncle ray]

52. many Authoritarians use such laws to justify police brutality.

note that i only need to make my point once.

[WonderGrunion]

56. I wanted to make sure all the people that didn't know the law had a response

Many people only check the replies to their posts, not the whole thread. At no point do I ever say the brutality was justified.

[Vattel]

54. It's not clear that he broke the law.

The article doesn't say that he knowingly concealed anything. One can put a video game in the waistband of one's pants without concealing it. The article doesn't say that the game disappeared down his pants. Furthermore, if he was resucing his grandson, he was acting out of necessity, and a necssity defense would result in a verdict of innocent if any prosecutor was stupid enough to charge him.

[They_Live]

57. and even if he had

it doesn't justify face-planting anybody into a concrete floor, or even the "leg sweep". I'd like the world to see the Walmart security footage of the take down, if it ever surfaces, because it's going to make these cops look really stupid. I really hope this man is okay, but it doesn't look like it.

[warrior1]

58. I hope he

sues the crap out of Walmart. All of the profit they may have made today.

[KT2000]

92. No - it was not concealed n/t

[Lorien]

101. It ain't concealed if it's partially visible

if he had stuck it under his arm it would have been just as "concealed".

But then, that video game was WAY more important than his grandson being trampled, wasn't it?

[Nay]

124. That was my Q - where were the cops when the grandson was being trampled??

Picking their noses? And since when do we slam ppl onto a concrete floor for a feckin' video tape stuck in a waistband? :wtf:

[stockholmer]

55. the USA's cultural of institutional brutality is beyond the tipping point, either people give in and

become chattel slaves as the days, week, months, years roll by, or there will be a massive, sustained, violent citizen-based push back against the police state. I for one think the first will occur, and the second choice will come far too little, far too late, and far too divided to yield much positive outcomes.

My mind reels at the sheer number of vicious fucking coppers you have there, and how many traitors to human freedom and decency cheer them on, as they go about doing the overlords' business of crackin' skulls on the masses.

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[freshwest]

168. Looks that way... Some people are avoiding public places all they can.

[unionworks]

60. The company store

Walmart is the modern "company store".all good paying jobs have left, most have to shop at Chinamart because it is all they can afford. Someday before long you will no longer get a paycheck, you will get creditat Walmart. For all your shopping needs.

[Barack_America]

65. Glad to know someone was looking out for the video games...

...and wasn't distracted by the children who were getting trampled and people getting punched.

[SaveAmerica]

72. I'm concerned about the Grandson, how old is he and how will this hurt him mentally?

This is ridiculous and why my Black Friday morning meant making breakfast with my family and chilling with them.

[dana_b]

129. my thoughts too

that poor man but that poor kid too.

[savannah43]

73. Were these real cops or rent-a-cops?

If they were real cops, what were they doing in a Wal-mart? Citizens now have to pay for security inside Wal-Mart stores? Is that what happened? Then they charge him? Call the paralegals!!! We need lawyers over here in video games. STAT.

[nadine_mn]

87. I think one article said off-duty cops hired by Wal-mart

so you know, our finest aren't making enough $$ being police officers, they have to pick up side work at Wally world

[kgnu_fan]

76. Phoenix, again? ...and Wall Mart... nt

[lbrtbell]

77. Buckeye is barely a "suburb" of Phoenix, it's so far away

It's also a pretty crappy place, too, so I'm not surprised to hear that the shoppers AND the rent-a-thugs were rowdier than most. :(

Still, if you suspect shoplifting, there's a difference between "busting" him and "busting his head". :mad:

Black Friday needs to be stopped.

[Horse with no Name]

84. 30 miles...not that far

especially if you live in West Valley.

[snot]

79. I'm starting to wonder if the police are trying to make the point that they ARE fascist MF-er's.

[Horse with no Name]

80. I thought it was only considered stealing

if you left the store with it?

[1monster]

81. According to Walmart's rules, one is not guilty of shoplifting until one passes the cash register on

the way to the door without paying... Teh cops did not follow the law or the Walmart rules regarding shoplifting.

I hope the guy sues the pants of of them -- not only for his injuries, embarassment, etc., but also for the unnecessry added trauma to the child.

[evilhime]

85. Interesting

Of all the stories about violent events today they all had one thing in common - Walmart . . .

[KamaAina]

86. Pictorial quiz: Is it Occupy, or Black Friday?

The Black Friday lemmings shoppers got a free pass on camping overnight, tents and all :grr: -- but now we hear of good patriotic 'Murkin Black Friday shoppers being Tasered, and now this. :scared:

[Art_from_Ark]

88. What the hell are cops doing in a Wal-Mart store?

In my hometown Wal-Mart, I could never imagine customers behaving in such a way, much less having police posted inside the store, much less seeing police beating up a customer. It is just beyond my imagination.

[Lorien]

102. Protecting merchandise is SO much more important than protecting proles

gotta make sure the 1% doesn't lose a single penny, even if no one is trying to steal anything!

[Art_from_Ark]

155. You know, back when Sam Walton was alive,

one of the Northwest Arkansas newspapers (Benton County Democrat, I think) had an article about Walton's lifestyle. He'd drive around town (Bentonville) in his pick-up truck and get his hair cut at a local barber shop. He certainly didn't act like one of the 1%, just a typical Arkansas "good ol' boy".

[ieoeja]

160. Ever notice that Liberal 1%ers are often first gen?

Koch - started rich

Soros - from poor to rich
Buffet - from middle class to rich
Gates - from middle class to rich

[saras]

89. First, it wasn't shoplifting. Second, being convicted of shoplifting doesn't deserve this sentence.

By Wal-Mart rules, he wasn't shoplifting. Hypothetical speculations about other laws in other states are largely irrelevant, unless the cops were trained in one state and transferred shortly before this, and the cops would still be wrong, just more excusably wrong.

By common-sense observation, he wasn't attempting to HIDE anything, he was attempting to put it somewhere that he could let go of it. It wasn't hidden, it was fucking sticking out of his pants.

As far as I know, there is NO crime in the American criminal justice system that calls for cops to systematically attempt to permanently damage your spinal column.

And, there were clearly other people there who SHOULD have been arrested for assault (i.e. everyone who might have trampled the kid).

[Lorien]

106. But obviously to the cop and some here the vague notion that the precious video game

was being temporarily partially stashed in a waistband was FAR more important than permanent disability or trampling a child to death. :crazy:

[avaistheone1]

109. Life is very cheap to some here. However, DVDs are quite expensive.

Unfortunately some of the bottom dwellers are showing their heads in this thread. They have no moral compass whatsoever imo.

To hell with them.

[Zoeisright]

107. The police are out of control.

I'd like to think that tptb are desperate and that's why all the violence. They know the end for them is near.

[MindMover]

110. need more cops like this.....

to take down all the hardened criminals like grandpa and his grandson shopping at wally world....

can't wait for part deux....

maybe grandma and granddaughter can be searched in the back room with guns drawn of course.....

[and-justice-for-all]

111. I just do not know what to fucking say anymore...nt

[davidthegnome]

113. All this for a few toys?

Or video games? Or new products that Wal-Mart - yes, intentionally has in short stock so as to draw massive crowds. That's simply a marketing gimmick - but what happened here is sickening.

I do hope the grandfather sues for all he can. Those cops weren't just out of line... - they - broke the law. Not sure what you can call that but assault, fortunately for those assholes it wasn't quite manslaughter. They could have gotten the man to give up the game without too much trouble, they could have tried... oh I don't know... talking to him before trying to bash in his skull.

Are people really so twisted as to trample a child just to get their special toys before they're all gone? Why the hell weren't the cops more concerned with that? Aren't they paid to protect and serve? Where was the protection in this?

I can't remember the last time I shopped there, but I know plenty of people who did, even on black Friday. I don't blame them for wanting to take advantage of good deals, but they can do it in a civilized manner. Wal-Mart also has some responsibility here, there's a variety of ways such things can be avoided. Still, if people had been trampling one of my children... we can do better than this. We must do better than this, if we are ever to have the kind of society we want.

[southerncrone]

114. If you want to encounter real rabid dogs & the insane, just

go to these Black Friday (now Thursday, too) sales events. They aren't called Black Friday for nothin'.

Not only are the customers crazy, but store security & police are, as well.

WHY, oh, WHY do people subject themselves to such insanity?

These are proof of how strong the need by Americans to possess stuff (unnecessary stuff) really is.

This is one of the times when I ask myself: What would Jesus do?
The irony of this behavior stupefies me.
:eyes:

[spinbaby]

115. They just showed the mug shot

On the ABC morning show, they just showed the grandfather's mug shot. I sure hope he got medical treatment in addition to a mug shot.

[mdmc]

120. You don't even need to be a minority to get fucked up in AZ

[kgnu_fan]

156. Maricopa county is the WORST!!!!

[mainer]

132. Police account is a lie:

According to the police:

Police said when the officer asked Jerald Newman about the video game he put in his waistband, he began flailing his arms.

"As the officer put handcuffs on the suspect, he resisted arrest, flailing his arms and pulling away from the officer backing up," said Buckeye Police Asst. Chief Larry Hall.

A leg sweep was used on Newman, who hit his head when he fell and began bleeding, police said.
--------

Now look at the video. You'll see that the guy isn't cuffed until he's already lying on the ground unconscious, face down. Then the cop pulls out the handcuffs and puts them on.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

141. Another foot sweep on a concrete floor. Fucking pigs should be taught that it can be deadly.

Reminds me of the 90(?) year old confused woman carrying a kitchen knife. The cop swept her foot and split her head open on the pavement. There was a DU thread.

A foot sweep is hard enough to tolerate on a mat when you are trained to fall. On pavement, against a non-trained person, it can be a death sentence.

[mainer]

133. Cameras "weren't working" in Walmart; missed the incident

Have heard from several Walmart people that that's a load of crap. On the busiest day of the year, of course all the cameras would be working. Walmart and the police are covering up the truth.

[coyote]

148. totally agree...

cameras not working my ass.

[Duer 157099]

154. Well his chances of getting dementia just rose precipitously

I hope he gets a lawyer who realizes that he may very well develop dementia in the next couple of decades due to this head trauma.

[Hotler]

158. Fucking cops n/t

[AverageJoe90]

161. Just another example of why I think it's starting to become the 1950s all over again. nt

[pitohui]

162. while he should not have been bodyslammed for shoplifting...

what does the fact that he's a "grandpa" have to do with anything? i realize the poster doesn't make up these headlines but i'm tired of "grandmother" this, "grandfather" that

is an older person's body less fragile if they don't have grandchildren?

it should be disgrace to bodyslam ANY elder, not just "grandpa"

and of course it should equally be a disgrace to be shoplifting in the presence of one's grandchild, but the punishment shouldn't be corporal punishment -- altho i will give "grandpa" points for creativity in explaining why it was OK to stick the video game in his pants...an act that almost anyone witnessing it would have assumed to be a pretty bold theft

everyone involved here, except the child, is a tosser if you ask me

but, yeah, you don't beat "grandpa" unconscious for shoplifting, these cops need some re-training

[mainer]

169. UPDATE: cop's name released

Jerald Newman, 54, was knocked unconscious after a Buckeye police officer performed a "leg sweep" on him while arresting him on suspicion of shoplifting. (UPDATE: The officer's name has been released: Kevin Rorke.)

The story of the Black Friday arrest (which actually occurred late Thursday night) went viral, boosted by a graphic video shot just after the take-down of the limp and bloody suspect.

Newman's family contends the suspect, who was later booked into jail on suspicion of shoplifting and resisting arrest, had merely tucked a video game in his waistband to either help his grandson or prevent an unruly mob from taking the game from him.

Whether or not Newman was resisting arrest has become a major question in the case. A CNN reporter who happened to be at the store on Thursday says Newman wasn't resisting as a cop led him away.


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