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The Magistrate

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61. There Are Deep Roots To Their Actions, Ma'am, That People Should Be Aware Of
Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:35 AM
Apr 2020

The 'further left' traditionally take as their chief immediate enemy parties and political figures of the center left, rather than parties and figures of the right. This is because a strong center-left party balks any possibility of revolution. It will have the allegiance of most working people, because it will bring them real benefits in their lives, and by doing so, will shut off influence of the 'further left' by making it clear measures well short of the desperate expedients the 'further left' prescribes for improving the lot of working people are not necessary.

Because center-left parties do uphold the present order of society, the 'further left' sees them as obstacles to its desires quite as much as any reactionary party on the right. Thus you have the 'not a dime's worth of difference' line that views our two major parties as interchangeable. Since the 'further left' cannot comprehend how working people could possibly form an honest attachment to rightist parties, their view comes to be that center-left parties are their chief obstacle to mass support from working people, and they imagine that if center-left parties are broken, they will inherit the mass support of working people, and thus become predominant. Then it will be the time to deal with the reactionary right, but until it is the 'further left' which has undisputed leadership of working people, the reactionary right cannot be dealt with properly.

Properly, here, indicating a policy guided by the slogan quite popular in the radical salad days of the seventies: 'What's the solution? Revolution!' Few nowadays on the 'further left' dream of an actual, barricades and snipers and car-bombs sort of armed revolution, but they do envision a complete overthrow of existing economic and social arrangements. One of the things they fail to understand about working people, and people on the lower rungs of the economic scale generally, is that people who have not much but do have a little are extremely reluctant to put the little they have at risk, and they know that in turmoil and tumult that little will be at risk. There are strains of the 'further left' which do have some understanding of this, and their view is that working people must be made to lose that little they have now, and lose it to the unmitigated predation of the reactionary right. Only then, when they have nothing to lose, will working people be ready for revolution under the banner of the 'further left'. This provides such people still another reason to oppose and demolish center left parties, as these do mitigate the suffering the right would impose on working people, and so are the chief force in balking revolution. These elements view an initial triumph of the reactionary right as an essential step in their own program to achieve revolution, and so are actually quite pleased by the reactionary right achieving political success at the expense of center-left parties.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Question for Bernie Supporters. [View all] qwlauren35 Mar 2020 OP
Man oh man let it die. I've been really happy gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #1
They are 25% of the party. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #2
It seems as though a lot of Biden supporters FoxNewsSucks Mar 2020 #3
Normally the backers of losing Dem candidates get behind the winning candidate... brush Mar 2020 #9
Millions of people still want to vote. Triloon Apr 2020 #77
Admit it. It's over. Prolonging this and not getting into general election mode is just helping... brush Apr 2020 #81
Oh I do advocate voting by mail Triloon Apr 2020 #82
Why would Sanders get into GE mode? He's lost. Don't tell me you're buying... brush Apr 2020 #83
Aw. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #10
Have you seen the cut throat ads, FB and twitter posts sanders is making against Biden? Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #11
No, I haven't seen them. Triloon Apr 2020 #79
Ignore sanders? Try this locigal explanation Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #14
yep, its getting real old, its like desperation taken to a whole new level yaesu Mar 2020 #18
Try this, your vote is not a gift to bestow. It's a decision to be made with maturity. Walleye Mar 2020 #26
I have read several posts like this: "They don't want to hear from us. They're not interested in Atticus Mar 2020 #40
+1 betsuni Apr 2020 #56
What we foolishly took for granted ... NanceGreggs Mar 2020 #41
There Are Deep Roots To Their Actions, Ma'am, That People Should Be Aware Of The Magistrate Apr 2020 #61
You were just ASKED, and this is your response. Hortensis Apr 2020 #63
Welp. sheshe2 Apr 2020 #78
I didn't say they shouldn't be here. I just want the shit to stop. No look what I just saw gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #4
Simply put, FoxNewsSucks Mar 2020 #5
Real democrats have been pushing for universal health care and other "platforms" bernie claims Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #12
Actually, President Truman tried to work for universal health coverage in 1948. thucythucy Mar 2020 #16
In reality we've been pushing for this since 1943, when John Dingell Sr. first introduced it.... George II Mar 2020 #24
It's been a while since I checked out the Democratic platform-- thucythucy Mar 2020 #15
Welp. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #19
The 2016 Democratic Party platform was the most progressive in history. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #22
I suggest to you to get behind a candidate in the future who can fulfill your ideals of perfect FloridaBlues Mar 2020 #52
Still wondering what specific parts of the Democratic Platform of 2016 thucythucy Apr 2020 #60
... lamp_shade Mar 2020 #6
As a former Warren supporter, might I suggest relayerbob Mar 2020 #7
She's more pragmatic than I gave her credit for. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #25
She's very intelligent and very pragmatic relayerbob Mar 2020 #28
medicare for all Locrian Mar 2020 #8
And how is it you think the real democrats won't push for the same working class issues they Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #13
Exactly, Sir --- 'Bernie' Holds No Patent On Any Of This The Magistrate Mar 2020 #23
Exactly relayerbob Mar 2020 #29
Because Biden has never come out in favor of single payer national healthcare for all KSNY Mar 2020 #47
pretty much - yeah. n/t Locrian Mar 2020 #48
But he does support universal health care, including a public option. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #50
Not the same thing. Aim low, get little... KSNY Mar 2020 #53
Aim too high thucythucy Mar 2020 #54
that's the way to lose...most people support national single payer healthcare for all KSNY Apr 2020 #57
Maybe so (though I'd like to see the evidence of that) thucythucy Apr 2020 #59
That Point, Ma'am, Many Find Impossibke To Grasp The Magistrate Apr 2020 #69
Then Biden should support Single payer national healthcare KSNY Apr 2020 #75
Because millions of people want the choice thucythucy Apr 2020 #76
Ding, ding, ding! peggysue2 Apr 2020 #68
Putting derogatory labels on our candidate and quoting numbers doesn't get us any votes. Walleye Mar 2020 #31
Bernie needs to stick with it until M4A is written into the Democratic Platform GreydeeThos Mar 2020 #17
How do they think accusing Biden of rape and senility will accomplish that? Walleye Mar 2020 #30
Who is "they" GreydeeThos Mar 2020 #34
The Sanders supporters. Not all of course. Some are Russian bots. Walleye Mar 2020 #38
Well, BS will be pounding sand for a long time then Hav Mar 2020 #32
Oppose an idea because Bernie is for it - that's a winner for sure GreydeeThos Mar 2020 #35
That Is a Deliberate Mis-Reading Of the Comment You Reply To, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #39
No, not because BS is for it Hav Mar 2020 #44
Not everything is about Bernie. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #46
No, Sir, 'Bernie' Needs To Stand Down And Back Mr. Biden Unreservedly The Magistrate Mar 2020 #33
I will not drop my ideals and desires before the nominee is selected. GreydeeThos Mar 2020 #37
Your Ideals, Sir, In Particular, Do Not Mean a Fig The Magistrate Mar 2020 #42
Universal health care has been in the platform since 2006. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #43
+1 betsuni Apr 2020 #55
All the bad things you bring up and more will occur under Trump tirebiter Mar 2020 #20
I'm not sure there's anything else on the list. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #21
Bernie is hoping something bad happens to Biden to he would swoop in and save the day Dream Girl Mar 2020 #27
If we take the Senate, Bernie can chair a committee Walleye Mar 2020 #36
SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE! and free higher education.... KSNY Mar 2020 #45
I don't see how this pandemic proves that Bernie's ideas are what is needed for all of us. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #74
Thank You! McKim Mar 2020 #49
He supports universal healthcare. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #51
Single Payer Health Care jimlup Apr 2020 #58
Why is it that Bernie supporters are firm in their belief GeorgiaPeanut Apr 2020 #62
I don't think it's a matter of intelligence. qwlauren35 Apr 2020 #64
Post removed Post removed Apr 2020 #65
The Lady Has Stated Her Thoughts Openly And Honestly, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #67
I'm new .. I apologize if she has done so. GeorgiaPeanut Apr 2020 #70
No Problem, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #71
Don't mean to hide. qwlauren35 Apr 2020 #72
If that is the "only car" it is never going to materialize DenverJared Apr 2020 #66
I do not understand either. qwlauren35 Apr 2020 #73
I'd prefer 5 years for POTUS, 3 years for senate and house DenverJared Apr 2020 #80
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