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denverbill

(11,489 posts)
65. I think you should post more.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:24 PM
Feb 2020

This country has careened so far to the right, that common sense from the 1970's is now radical. Nixon proposed a national health care plan in 1974. NIXON for Pete's sake. https://khn.org/news/nixon-proposal

Now, on a website that ostensibly is left-wing, even suggesting single-payer is frequently derided as a utopian fantasy, despite every other advanced country in the world showing how it can be done in any number of different ways.

Who here loves their health insurance? I HATE mine. It costs thousands of dollars in premiums, and has a $3,000 deductible before you get reimbursed for anything. I have 2 co-workers in my 10 person office who have had claims rejected, one for a procedure which was PRE-APPROVED by the insurance company (eventually they paid after MONTHS of denying it) and another who has spent over a year fighting his denial of coverage when he had emergency surgery for a bowel obstruction, and 2 of the surgeons involved weren't in his health care plan. EMERGENCY SURGERY. Like he was supposed to be calling around making sure everyone in the OR was on his provider list when he's unconscious.

And then there are hospitals, who charge $50 for a $.05 aspirin, or who charge $1000 for a procedure if you have a particular brand of insurance, but $10,000 if you have NO insurance. And drug companies, who arrange deals with health insurers to overcharge their customers for drugs, then give kickbacks to the insurers, unbeknownst to the patient. Or who charge Americans 10 times more for insulin than Canadians pay,

A two-party system where BOTH parties get most of their funding from corporations is a recipe for disaster, and for the last 30+ years, it's what we've had. This ain't my first rodeo either, but frankly, I'm tired of rodeos where both candidates decry socialism with equal vigor, despite the fact that the two most popular government programs in America, Social Security and Medicare, are socialist.

Trump is an unstable idiot. Dumbest and most incompetent person ever to inhabit the White House. His personality is basically a combination of a drunken frat boy with a spoiled rotten middle school girl. He's a friend to dictators and a enemy of democracies. He wants to help the rich at the expense of the poor. He bans people fleeing oppression from immigrating to American and helps corrupts plutocrats buy their way in. Anyone who would even THINK of not voting for Sanders or Warren if they are the eventual nominee, frankly doesn't have America's best interests at heart.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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K&R! FiveGoodMen Feb 2020 #1
I am a single issue voter Cary Feb 2020 #2
+10000000000 Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #9
Me too! KPN Feb 2020 #64
me too demigoddess Feb 2020 #104
Recommended. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #3
"So let's take advantage of the situation and stand for something for once." TwilightZone Feb 2020 #4
K&R COLGATE4 Feb 2020 #5
No, the way I see it... NCcoast Feb 2020 #6
THAT, plus the Electoral College with it's built in 1-2% tilt to the right groundloop Feb 2020 #10
And the ability for a trumpite to be a member. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2020 #54
Uh, huh. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #12
Whose fault DaDeacon Feb 2020 #23
Yeah, that kinda ticks me off. Milk toast? Really? flying_wahini Feb 2020 #66
The term is actually milquetoast. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #82
Well Said Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #7
I prefer to win...then 'stand for whatever' ....there is no honor in losing to Trump. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #8
Great NCcoast Feb 2020 #13
Really, what the hell is this supposed to mean? Squinch Feb 2020 #77
YOU may be "far left', but the country is not. #1 should be winning. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #11
So win already NCcoast Feb 2020 #14
11/20. Thats why i'm committed to backing the ones who have the best chance. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #15
But you don't know who has the best chance. NCcoast Feb 2020 #17
We did win in 2018. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #16
We are going to win, I said so NCcoast Feb 2020 #18
But more moderate candidates won than liberal candidates oldsoftie Feb 2020 #19
The moderates won DaDeacon Feb 2020 #25
Yes, its always "but...but...but..." when a centrist wins. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #27
And compromise did what? DaDeacon Feb 2020 #35
Won the House in '18, thats what they won. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #72
What is the point of this? You seem to think you are laying Squinch Feb 2020 #34
What I'm saying is very clear NCcoast Feb 2020 #50
So, again, if you find the discussions about who will win to be tiresome and offensive, and you Squinch Feb 2020 #62
So true. brush Feb 2020 #107
Sorry, but if Bernie wins all is lost. And if you are thinking this election is not going to be Squinch Feb 2020 #20
Why do you contend moderate Democrats won't support their nominee? Gore1FL Feb 2020 #24
To all but his supporters, Bernie has very little to recommend him. Squinch Feb 2020 #26
Blue no matter who. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #46
Yes. That's you and me. It isnt the entire electorate. And the Squinch Feb 2020 #49
Do you have polls that support the assertion? Gore1FL Feb 2020 #53
Its not Democrats you have to worry about. Its the REST of the voters. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #29
The assumption the rest of the voters are moderate is incorrect. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #43
yes I saw it. Dont buy it, but i saw it. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #73
I run with the data. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #80
Not buying it NCcoast Feb 2020 #33
Why are you saying this? Obviously that is what everyone is doing. Squinch Feb 2020 #36
Elsewhere in the thread... TwilightZone Feb 2020 #83
Yes. It appears that they're baaaaaack. Squinch Feb 2020 #87
Thank you 'Undecided'. With 43% of the DU vote, your candidate seems like a sure winner. denverbill Feb 2020 #67
Poor dear. Do you really think that it matters that you have declared on DU? Or that I haven't? Squinch Feb 2020 #68
Oh no dear. Bless your heart. denverbill Feb 2020 #78
Goodness. Since you know nothing about me, all this self-congratulation is just Squinch Feb 2020 #79
The moderate middle is a myth. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #21
Preach!!! Traildogbob Feb 2020 #22
Well said. Silver1 Feb 2020 #28
I will continue to " clutch my pearls", thanks,as needed. apcalc Feb 2020 #30
While I tend to agree.... yuiyoshida Feb 2020 #31
Exactly Right hillhouse704 Feb 2020 #32
welcome to DU gopiscrap Feb 2020 #74
I love you. Liberal Jesus Freak Feb 2020 #37
K&R Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #38
No. -nt Amimnoch Feb 2020 #39
I posted the thread that was titled, If Bernie is the nominee Trump will get a 2nd term Botany Feb 2020 #40
I agree with the OP on this tiredtoo Feb 2020 #41
k&R LW1977 Feb 2020 #42
Right On Chicagogrl1 Feb 2020 #44
C'mon. We're 36th in health care and are ahead of Slovenia. At least we were. Why risk it all on a Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #45
You've summed up the problem hangaleft Feb 2020 #63
Nostradamus has several accounts on DU... Indepatriot Feb 2020 #47
Meh. Let folks clutch if they must. OneBro Feb 2020 #48
I rarely see what you're asserting. "Pearl clutching" is a favorite trolling idiom. n/t Prof.Higgins Feb 2020 #51
Well I come from a long line NCcoast Feb 2020 #58
So the U.S.S.R. bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #52
EXACTLY! brush Feb 2020 #109
Or at all really bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #111
Thank you for saying what should be said. Vdizzle Feb 2020 #55
The fact that Bernie is pure of heart ... MrModerate Feb 2020 #56
Sorry but the truckers are still for DJT :( mwooldri Feb 2020 #57
ITs the disinformation radio quakerboy Feb 2020 #93
Maybe it is but we do have satellite radio... mwooldri Feb 2020 #98
I had satellite when I was on the road long hours quakerboy Feb 2020 #113
And they vote for repugs after hearing that crap for 24/7. brush Feb 2020 #110
Thank you, great post Beringia Feb 2020 #59
Thanks NCcoast. You rock. I agree 100% BigBearJohn Feb 2020 #60
Good post. Pepsidog Feb 2020 #61
I think you should post more. denverbill Feb 2020 #65
I'm with you 100% NCcoast Feb 2020 #69
Yes, funny thing is, I'm a fiscal conservative. denverbill Feb 2020 #71
Welcome to the primaries. Zolorp Feb 2020 #70
I immediately ignore any post that includes the term "pearl clutching" gollygee Feb 2020 #75
Good policy! I'm going to adopt that. Squinch Feb 2020 #76
The Admins need to add the "Pearl Clutching" filter ignore list.... Pachamama Feb 2020 #103
+1 myohmy2 Feb 2020 #81
Hear, hear. I agree completely... except I don't think winning is quite as sure a thing as you do. JudyM Feb 2020 #84
Thank you - K and R!!!! bunny planet Feb 2020 #85
Well said. BlueWI Feb 2020 #86
This is truly the most bizarre thread I have seen here in a long time. On a website whose Squinch Feb 2020 #88
Thank you. cwydro Feb 2020 #90
Why can't people have an opinion treestar Feb 2020 #89
Thank you ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #91
Well I'm 73 and I'm telling you DarleenMB Feb 2020 #92
But it's never the time to move the country forward even an inch FiveGoodMen Feb 2020 #94
Funny how that works isn't it NCcoast Feb 2020 #112
I was guilty of posting such things. Recent events made some things pretty clear. kcr Feb 2020 #95
Healthy debate Kerrycrat Feb 2020 #96
Wish I had your confidence Number9Dream Feb 2020 #97
Thank you Bettie Feb 2020 #99
THIS! All day long and twice on Saturday. n/t luvallpeeps Feb 2020 #100
I think this speaks for itself DIVINEprividence Feb 2020 #101
If Democrats are Republican lite, then I'm Republican lite bluedye33139 Feb 2020 #102
Thanks for your post! iwannaknow Feb 2020 #105
woowee. k&r Kurt V. Feb 2020 #106
My workplace is mired in the 19th century TrogL Feb 2020 #108
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