Democratic Primaries

Tweedy

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195. Former VP has a well of good will to draw from

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:32 PM

Jan 2020

No matter the nominee this will be a fight. We are the majority. We can only be defeated through a combination of division, dissatisfaction & dirty tricks.

The president has made it clear he will cheat. Too many GOP elected officials are tripping over themselves to say that is dandy by them.

Bet you the president will not debate.

Joe Biden has a deep well of goodwill with U.S. from which to draw which may protect him. It might not. This should neither be ignored, nor undermined.

Yes. Senator Sanders could win. He could lose, too.

They all could win, even the ever persistent John Delaney could win. They all could lose too.

We need a candidate who is this president's opposite. IMHO, the answer is Elizabeth Warren.

Nevertheless, let no one doubt any candidate we pick will be unfairly tarred. Our opponents are proud cheaters, who stand on our House and Senate floor and tell us wrong is right, right is wrong and continuously threatening that might makes right.

So far as I can tell, a lie aimed at the head of any of our candidates is a lie we must oppose no matter who is the smile behind the smear.

We don't need to be alternative facting to beat this president. That is his gig.

Senator Sanders' campaign has released two misleading ads undermining that goodwill in the last 2 weeks. Maybe an error by his campaign? 🤷‍♀️
He needs to clean it up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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It's Bernie, not Biden, who has the electability problem [View all] Gothmog Jan 2020 OP

Everybody has their own opinion. James48 Jan 2020 #1

I want to defeat trump Gothmog Jan 2020 #3

We're supposed to take the word of a loser? Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #106

He's Not the only one who feels this way.. Cha Jan 2020 #192

Yes, me too!! Bernie is the only electable candidate, as he's the only one who speaks to the base InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #11

The base of what? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #28

Bernie speaks ro those who recognize the system has been corrupted ArcticFox Jan 2020 #93

Nah. The "base" isn't those who attack our party as "corrupt." The Valley Below Jan 2020 #98

Great. Stick with the denial. ArcticFox Jan 2020 #107

You are slandering the Democratic Party. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #108

Bull ArcticFox Jan 2020 #115

You can't fix it with somebody who ain't going to win the election! NBachers Jan 2020 #134

YES, PRECISELY WHY BERNIE, NOT JOE, SHOULD BE THE DEMOCRAT WE NOMINATE TO RUN AGAINST DOLT45!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #165

Did you think Hillary would win? ArcticFox Jan 2020 #168

Remember Nader voters who refused to vote for Gore, but kept their "principles & ideals" intact? NBachers Jan 2020 #176

but no ones base alone is whats going to win the nom or the election... samnsara Jan 2020 #37

Who, pray tell me is his base? He is a spoiler who cost Hilary the election. olegramps Jan 2020 #55

Just a note Normanart Jan 2020 #64

nonsense Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #79

The electoral college DID cost Hillary the election, as she herself admitted... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #118

If you believe he can eliminate Electoral College you are seriously uninformed. olegramps Jan 2020 #181

Only? what in the FUCK ...DEAR GOD Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #78

Please put down the pennants and pompoms for a minute and explain who the "base" is, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #100

+1000000000000 emmaverybo Jan 2020 #160

right on!! olegramps Jan 2020 #182

He's not speaking to the Democratic Party's base mcar Jan 2020 #149

Any Dem needs more than the base. Repugs will paint Sanders 24/7... brush Jan 2020 #157

Bernie Brewh Jan 2020 #57

Nice having you aboard Brewh!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #119

The OP cited facts to suggest a reasonable inference, that Bernie, not Biden is the one with an emmaverybo Jan 2020 #101

ME TOO!! WELCOME ABOARD THE BERNIE BULLET TRAIN!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #143

It Always Strikes Me As Odd Me. Jan 2020 #2

I think we should embrace former Republicans. We need a lot more of them. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #91

In the GE I see it the other way around and I've seen nothing to convince me otherwise. nt Autumn Jan 2020 #4

I am sure you haven't...any evidence which by the way is plentiful...would be ignored. You support Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #12

I believe our best hope to take the White House and get rid of Trump is Bernie or Liz. Autumn Jan 2020 #14

I completely agree Locrian Jan 2020 #56

Manufactured? By the media/corporates? LiberalFighter Jan 2020 #67

Biden has very thin skin when it comes to his son as most parents are. Trump, Pukes and the media Autumn Jan 2020 #111

ANOTHER great point! Bernie doesn't let ANYTHING get to him, not even a heart attack for damn sake!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #141

NO.. Biden is Tough. Cha Jan 2020 #190

Joe's chances of beatin tRumpty Dumbty, puttin Joe's questionable voting record aside, are far less InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #120

Former VP has a well of good will to draw from Tweedy Jan 2020 #195

I would not call poll results "evidence." totodeinhere Jan 2020 #94

YES WE KNOW!! IF POLLS WERE ACCURATE, HILLARY WOULD HAVE BEATEN DOLT45 IN A LANDSLIDE!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #122

NO QUESTION!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #13

You cannot prove a negative. The question is, what evidence makes you see the other way around? beastie boy Jan 2020 #16

I think that Joe's temperament will be a real problem in the GE when Trump goes after him. nt Autumn Jan 2020 #19

Can you point to any evidence that Bernie will do better? beastie boy Jan 2020 #20

For one I haven't seen Bernie go after a Democratic activist who worked on Obama's campaign Autumn Jan 2020 #23

One more thing: absence of evidence is not evidence. beastie boy Jan 2020 #24

Nice that you ask a question and ignore the factual answer because you don't like it. Autumn Jan 2020 #26

I like the answer, in a funny way, but it is n ot the answer to my question. beastie boy Jan 2020 #27

I gave an opinion on the electability of Bernie, Liz and Joe in the GE based on a current event Autumn Jan 2020 #34

Since post #16, post #20 and post #24. All of them asking for evidence. All of them you responded to beastie boy Jan 2020 #36

YOU responded to me with your request for evidence of my opinion. Autumn Jan 2020 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author beastie boy Jan 2020 #44

In post #19 I responded to you with my opinion. I see no reason, I have no need to Autumn Jan 2020 #47

Ummm... no. You didn't go to # 16 beastie boy Jan 2020 #50

And dismissively rolling on the floor laugh at anyone who disagrees or questions them. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #83

Joe's temperament?? Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #45

ROTFLMFAO!! GOOD ONE AUTUMN!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #146

Autumn...you say a Democratic activist? pfeiffer Jan 2020 #48

He's an activist who volunteered on Obama's campaign. He was hired by Bernie AFTER Trump told him Autumn Jan 2020 #51

Excellent point! Joe's temperament gets him in trouble & is the source of so many of his gaffes. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #129

Bernie hasn't challenged anyone to a push-up contest yet BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #53

Maybe Bernie feels too old to be President... beastie boy Jan 2020 #95

True, though even a heart attack has not slowed Bernie down in the slightest... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #132

Go back and look at Joe's VP debates. Watch Joe's floor-mopping demonstration. NBachers Jan 2020 #136

How long ago were those debates? Autumn Jan 2020 #137

Sure haven't seen any "floor-mopping" demonstrations by Joe in the Democratic primary debates. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #142

just pinky swear to vote for the dem nom even if its a damn loaf of bread... samnsara Jan 2020 #38

We'll never know, since he won't be involved in the general election, unless of course he........... George II Jan 2020 #130

Yeah George. Whatever. Autumn Jan 2020 #135

Whenever I need my beltway CW fix Jennifer Rubin is there BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #5

Bernie ran for President in 2016 ritapria Jan 2020 #6

Many people wanted Joe to run in 2016 PatSeg Jan 2020 #8

All of this +1 LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #10

yes joe would have won in 2016.... samnsara Jan 2020 #39

I've thought so for a long time PatSeg Jan 2020 #49

So Joe would have beat out Hillary. Interesting. brutus smith Jan 2020 #76

NOT A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #126

No way Joe could EVER have beaten Hillary in ANY race they both competed in. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #125

Joe Biden never lost a single primary. Remember, Biden had a long distinguished Senate career.... George II Jan 2020 #9

He dropped out in 88 ... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #21

No explanation is necessary. He never lost a single primary. Not one. George II Jan 2020 #22

how far back is 1987?..even 2008 is ancient history..im sure all the candidates can be... samnsara Jan 2020 #40

The game here melman Jan 2020 #68

He's pretending the one percent showing in... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #105

By my count, Joe lost the Democratic primary elections in 1988 & 2008; thats 2 primary races he lost InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #138

CUTE MALARKEY, YES!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #133

He wasn't elected VP, he was appointed. brutus smith Jan 2020 #80

He was on the ticket that people voted for. He was elected. MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #89

YOU BEAT ME TO IT... THANK YOU!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #144

So if we nominate a Sanders/Warren ticket, then we get a team. TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #153

Biden was part of a TEAM who was ELECTED. Cha Jan 2020 #150

Joe didn't run for VP, Obama appointed him to the ticket. brutus smith Jan 2020 #164

BOOOOOOOOMMM!!!! There's a good reason Biden lost the 1988 and 2008 primary elections he ran in... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #15

lmao you're bordering on parody right now. Drunken Irishman Jan 2020 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #92

you dislike biden so much....actually as much as I dislike BS..but I will swear to vote.. samnsara Jan 2020 #41

Asked and answered DOZENS of times...though many here will pretend not to know. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #123

Which primary election has Biden lost? I'll answer that - NONE! George II Jan 2020 #170

Oh snap! LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #90

Here's the conclusion from Ms Rubin: comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #7

Spot on. Nt BootinUp Jan 2020 #140

Would not be surprised if Bernie is target during upcoming debate Zeus69 Jan 2020 #17

Lol. Jennifer Rubin is a right wing hack. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #18

I know right ? They love to hold up Republicans views as how we should vote. bahrbearian Jan 2020 #30

Jennifer Rubin has been excellent and this proves you are not being objective. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #33

She's not excellent at all melman Jan 2020 #73

Which of her statements do you consider to be factually incorrect? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #82

The supporters for each of the Dem Prez candidates have seemed most reasonable, however, . . . empedocles Jan 2020 #29

Bernie self identifying as a Socialist is completely disqualifying !!! THE END. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #31

As someone coming from a family of Milwaukee Socialists TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #70

I come from a family of realists and it's disqualifying for a General Election. Come on man! nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #112

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #163

Pls. face political reality. brush Jan 2020 #162

I would also add TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #60

So you are essentially saying that I would vote for dump. UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #117

I understand the electability argument TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #161

It's not that Socialists are not acceptable it's what the Rs will do with it yellowdogintexas Jan 2020 #102

Agreed. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #114

A DEMOCRATIC socialist...in the mold of FDR. Bernie is moving the Democratic Party back to its roots InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #124

trump would destroy sanders in a general election Gothmog Jan 2020 #186

K & R SunSeeker Jan 2020 #32

It's math-if someone can't win a primary, they can't win a general election dlk Jan 2020 #35

They both have electability problems. maxsolomon Jan 2020 #43

I think both Biden and Sanders have electability problems... DCofVA Jan 2020 #46

Biden is the only Democrats who can pick up both Florida and Virginia Gothmog Jan 2020 #54

The current polls are useless DCofVA Jan 2020 #71

Too early to know that for sure. And current polls don't take possible Republican shenanigans totodeinhere Jan 2020 #96

I could live with President Warren!! Both Elizabeth AND Bernie have FAR LESS baggage than Joe!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #145

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #52

"little"? What polls? marble falls Jan 2020 #61

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #66

All I see on your link is Bernie vs Trump, and Trump leads in some ... marble falls Jan 2020 #110

The Republican "socialist" attacks on Bernie would be relentless. CaptainTruth Jan 2020 #58

I said a LONG time ago, show me who has the best chance of beating the FASCIST KILLER Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #62

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #63

Don't smear Democrats. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author geretogo Jan 2020 #72

You capitalize Fascist but not democrat? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author geretogo Jan 2020 #77

Smearing great liberal Democrats like Joe Biden as "Republican lite" The Valley Below Jan 2020 #84

We don't attack members, either. marble falls Jan 2020 #113

Bernie would call himself a Progressive, a Liberal, and a Sloumeau Jan 2020 #104

So Democrats and Republicans are alike. marble falls Jan 2020 #116

There is no candidate that I can see that has an electability problem. nt yaesu Jan 2020 #69

I don't think that with any of the present front-runners... mwooldri Jan 2020 #75

Bernie can't win in a national election... dubyadiprecession Jan 2020 #81

That's what they said about Hillary too. We have to more than just beat tRump. We need a landslide KPN Jan 2020 #85

Exactly. I am very skeptical of know-it-all political pundits when they were so sure that totodeinhere Jan 2020 #88

ANSWER: FUCK NO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #139

.... KPN Jan 2020 #151

Yep Wawannabe Jan 2020 #86

I think that Bernie is looking past today's polls and he feels that he could run a more totodeinhere Jan 2020 #87

Wise words... welcome aboard!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #127

No, this isn't accurate at all janterry Jan 2020 #97

Did you know Jennifer Rubin wanted John Bolton to run for president? melman Jan 2020 #99

Context? TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #109

She wanted John Bolton to run for president melman Jan 2020 #121

I can easily see where that tweet might be sarcasm. TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #152

It's not sarcasm melman Jan 2020 #154

Okay then, where is the context for the tweet? TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #155

The context is she's a right winger who tweets right wing shit melman Jan 2020 #156

Okay then, I'm not persuaded. TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #159

The context was she was being sarcastic. George II Jan 2020 #172

In that case TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #173

Jennifer Rubin is an astute, intelligent woman. Surely she wasn't serious about Bolton running.... George II Jan 2020 #174

Wow, 2011. That's like 8-9 years old. Considering she's got 91,000 tweets, that's a lot of digging. George II Jan 2020 #128

Nothing that happened before last week matters melman Jan 2020 #131

Interesting. She joined twitter in November 2010 and has posted 91,000 tweets since.... George II Jan 2020 #171

From 2016 melman Jan 2020 #178

Here's a fun column from 2014 melman Jan 2020 #179

When the convention is over, what are YOU going to do? yellowdogintexas Jan 2020 #103

I'll be voting the DEMOCRATIC nominee into office... President Bernie Sanders!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #148

i don't give much thought to republicans opinion. Actually zero. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #147

LESS THAN ZERO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #166

LESS THAN ZERO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #167

That Republican lady Rubin...the Never Trump Republican! Stellar Jan 2020 #169

Younger Voters...... colsohlibgal Jan 2020 #175

Anyone who thinks Medicare is Socialism doesn't understand the term LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #177

The last time we experimented with a close to Bernie and Liz candidate was in 1972-George McGovern. Gothmog Jan 2020 #180

Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie Gothmog Jan 2020 #183

They all have an electability problem democrattotheend Jan 2020 #184

This is a major Republican chaos operation staring to divide the democrats at every level Gothmog Jan 2020 #185

GOP support of sanders show that he is the weakest candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #187

The GOP really wants to run against the weakest possible candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #188

Trump would destroy sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #189

Sanders is a very weak general election candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #191

UAW Past President Sees It Differently corbettkroehler Jan 2020 #193

Data Reveals A Moderate Democrat Is The Best Chance To Beat Trump Gothmog Jan 2020 #194