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147. And do you deny that Gillibrand was the one who jumped the gun to stab her Senate colleague in

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Kirsten Gillibrand Stands By Her Call For Al Franken's Resignation [View all] left-of-center2012 Mar 2019 OP

Well, best of luck because she's seriously going to need it. bearsfootball516 Mar 2019 #1

You got that right montanacowboy Mar 2019 #3

Why isn't Senator Harris's call for Senator Franken's resignation equally disqualifying? SFnomad Mar 2019 #17

It is to some of us. Corey Booker, Warren, Sanders LakeArenal Mar 2019 #80

Some people have integrity in their convictions. SFnomad Mar 2019 #82

As you see, it's not me. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #84

+1 n/t SFnomad Mar 2019 #85

Harris will make a much better president than wasupaloopa Mar 2019 #87

Senator Harris called for Senator Franken's resignation just like Senator Gillibrand SFnomad Mar 2019 #88

Did you read I said all Senators. wasupaloopa Mar 2019 #97

I agree JonLP24 Mar 2019 #143

I didn't like her call for resignation either, but that's a straw man argument in this thread. bearsfootball516 Mar 2019 #94

That's the best you can come up with? SFnomad Mar 2019 #99

They were not spear heading the effort...she was. nt Baltimike Mar 2019 #100

Steaming pile of a justification n/t SFnomad Mar 2019 #101

Driving the band wagon of Roger Stone's sucker bet. nt Baltimike Mar 2019 #102

Roger Stone? Really? SFnomad Mar 2019 #103

Yes. The first accuser was a Roger Stone associate. I'm not making this up. nt Baltimike Mar 2019 #116

And you realize that Senator Franken apologized to her too ... right? SFnomad Mar 2019 #117

So? Baltimike Mar 2019 #118

Wow, just wow SFnomad Mar 2019 #119

Absolutely. Wow indeed. Baltimike Mar 2019 #120

This is true. He helped engineer it with a conservative gal calimary Mar 2019 #121

Mind you - this in NO way means I feel the same way about the #metoo movement. calimary Mar 2019 #125

This. 5000%. nt Baltimike Mar 2019 #139

It's over before it starts for her. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #47

She is near the bottom of my list Gothmog Mar 2019 #89

I agree totally duforsure Mar 2019 #90

...and I stand by my complete dismissal of her candidacy. (eom) Loge23 Mar 2019 #2

After Gym Jordan's stunt and still in the Senate/House, and rump, fair is fair, and IMHO, ... SWBTATTReg Mar 2019 #4

What I don't understand is why Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #5

She started it, she owns it! Nt USALiberal Mar 2019 #7

Started it? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #8

Agreed. madville Mar 2019 #13

There's always somebody who calls the play. Demit Mar 2019 #29

Yes customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #79

Senator Gillibrand... tonedevil Mar 2019 #10

Won the contest? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #11

You point out... tonedevil Mar 2019 #15

Glad she is doubling down, will just hurt her more! Nt USALiberal Mar 2019 #6

She was so eager to do it Bettie Mar 2019 #53

"Eight credible" my ass. BlueStater Mar 2019 #9

Really? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #12

About half of them were anonymous. One said he "groped" her waist. BlueStater Mar 2019 #14

OK but Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #16

Do you have any evidence they're telling the truth? BlueStater Mar 2019 #18

I have no reason to assume Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #19

I already gave you my answer. BlueStater Mar 2019 #20

So you discredit Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #22

Nice strawman. BlueStater Mar 2019 #23

Not a strawman Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #24

And the accused deserve to be believed too. BlueStater Mar 2019 #25

So I guess we owe Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #27

We have every right to form opinions on the credibility of both the accused and the accusers based BlueStater Mar 2019 #31

OK Thanks for explaining Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #38

You're welcome. BlueStater Mar 2019 #39

What do you expect for a Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #40

You talking about your recent additions to this thread? BlueStater Mar 2019 #41

Why not? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #45

I already gave you my reasons several times. I'm not answering this again. BlueStater Mar 2019 #48

Because I have no reason to think they are not Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #60

Just throw out the presumption of innocence when it applies to men. MicaelS Mar 2019 #35

The presumption of innocence applies to criminal prosecution Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #37

Why doesn't the picture being on her FB page call into question rainin Mar 2019 #152

Who'd FB page? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #155

I will support the Democratic nominee Gothmog Mar 2019 #21

i would expect no less. it would look weak otherwise Kurt V. Mar 2019 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Huffleprecious Mar 2019 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueStater Mar 2019 #30

*Alleged* sexual abuser. BlueStater Mar 2019 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Huffleprecious Mar 2019 #56

An unfunny, tasteless joke from his days as a comedian doesn't make him a sexual abuser. BlueStater Mar 2019 #61

Oh for the love of mike, you're bringing up that old canard? MrsMatt Mar 2019 #65

If it was sexism, the other female senators who signed on to ousting him would be getting attacked Demit Mar 2019 #33

That political opportunism for you. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #81

Al Franken 2020 ! stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #34

I'll be more than happy when Polly Hennessey Mar 2019 #36

She is an opportunist Bettie Mar 2019 #42

How is that opportunistic? cynatnite Mar 2019 #44

She's got no way to back down without looking bad Bettie Mar 2019 #52

Charisma isn't on my list of qualifications for president... cynatnite Mar 2019 #55

I respect that... cynatnite Mar 2019 #43

You can stand up to sexual assault without being idiotic about it. BlueStater Mar 2019 #49

Franken chose to leave before the investigation was completed.... cynatnite Mar 2019 #50

His response doesn't change the awful precedent she tried to set. BlueStater Mar 2019 #59

And he could have fought back which he chose not to do... cynatnite Mar 2019 #62

If you work in a place... tonedevil Mar 2019 #71

Then demand due process shortly after LakeArenal Mar 2019 #83

I really hope it costs her the nomination. n/t MicaelS Mar 2019 #114

She also stands by her call to imprison for free speech that Hortensis Mar 2019 #46

Well, no that's not true... cynatnite Mar 2019 #51

Facts just get in the way of Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #86

My question is why was there no investigation? sakabatou Mar 2019 #54

Franken could have stayed. bernie59 Mar 2019 #57

And I stand by my call to eliminate her from the primary race SOON. elfin Mar 2019 #58

Franken is why we have the Mueller investigations SHRED Mar 2019 #63

Sorry that is just not true Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #64

Which part? SHRED Mar 2019 #66

About the Mueller investigation Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #67

I don't think Sessions would have appointed him SHRED Mar 2019 #68

Maybe not Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #70

I thought Franken caught Sessions in the Russian contact lie? SHRED Mar 2019 #108

Yes and no Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #111

I think firing James Comey jump started Mueller's involvement JonLP24 Mar 2019 #144

I admire her self-confidence and moral certainty. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #69

Forget her. She has zero chance in this primary race. MineralMan Mar 2019 #72

Perhaps so...but not because of outrage over Franken. brooklynite Mar 2019 #75

Randi Rhodes worked at Air America for yrs with Al womanofthehills Mar 2019 #73

Randi Rhodes is the last person I'd use as a character reference after she called Geraldine Ferraro SFnomad Mar 2019 #141

She out of ANYONE had to do this. And she did after the 8th woman came out. HYPOCRITE if she didnt UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #74

Why let facts Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #93

"Gillibrand Stands By Her Call" ... so I'll stand by mine Jarqui Mar 2019 #76

And I stand by my decision Mme. Defarge Mar 2019 #77

I find it interesting how she's focused on in particular on this issue. David__77 Mar 2019 #78

She's probably getting private polling that (aside from anything else) it's a millstone around her OnDoutside Mar 2019 #91

So the others were all just blind followers? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #92

Unfortunately a number of them marked her with a view to 2020, when the line was holding up to that OnDoutside Mar 2019 #95

Holding the line? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #96

The notion of holding the line while, y'know, Due Process, takes its course. Apologies if that's an OnDoutside Mar 2019 #98

Due process is a legal standard Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #110

Not exclusively, no. If you are the member of a club, Congress etc, you agree to follow the rules of OnDoutside Mar 2019 #112

And do you really think the republicans Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #113

To be fair they were willing to give him a hearing ! Which is OnDoutside Mar 2019 #122

Maybe they wanted to give him a hearing Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #124

Unlikely, because it could be the turn of many of them at another OnDoutside Mar 2019 #126

Which is still a political body Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #127

Well remind me who rounded on him, led by your friend ? This was headed to the Ethics Committee OnDoutside Mar 2019 #128

Until over 35 Democratic Senators called for his resignation Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #130

Yes when your friend jumped the gun for her own reasons, other Dems didn't want to be seen to be. OnDoutside Mar 2019 #133

So over 30 Democratic Senators were all just blind followers? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #134

What evidence do you have that the Senate Ethics committee wouldn't have treated him OnDoutside Mar 2019 #135

So Republicans would have been more fair to Franken than Democrats? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #136

Evidence, no ? OnDoutside Mar 2019 #137

Would republicans have been fairer to Franken than Democrats? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #138

We'll never know because your friend killed his right to have a OnDoutside Mar 2019 #140

No, Franken killed by resigning Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #142

Lolz....good one ! I presume you'd describe all this as "Fake News" too ? OnDoutside Mar 2019 #145

It is fake news Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #146

And do you deny that Gillibrand was the one who jumped the gun to stab her Senate colleague in OnDoutside Mar 2019 #147

No That is fake news. Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #148

I'm content that anyone reading your post will recognise your rewriting of history to create a OnDoutside Mar 2019 #149

No it is reality Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #150

Lolz thanks for the confirmation !!! OnDoutside Mar 2019 #157

Don't forget these Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #159

No one is forgetting those who followed, but she jumped the gun trying to OnDoutside Mar 2019 #160

Jumped the gun? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #161

I admire your clean up effort but so many of us here watched all this play out in real time, OnDoutside Mar 2019 #162

No just presenting the facts Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #163

Spun facts certainly. Well you could provide that evidence as to why the you know the Senate Ethics OnDoutside Mar 2019 #164

If it was all a right wing hit job Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #165

Try answering the question. OnDoutside Mar 2019 #166

I did Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #167

No, you didn't. Try again. OnDoutside Mar 2019 #168

Yes I did Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #169

So if a person gets accused of sexual harassment.. MicaelS Mar 2019 #115

That is up to the owners Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #123

She has to live with it now... BlueJac Mar 2019 #104

Meanwhile all of Frankens accusers faded back into the wood work... Historic NY Mar 2019 #105

this disqualifies her in my eyes and almost all other democrats I personally know, a MISTAKE she beachbum bob Mar 2019 #106

Gillibrand did not call for due process -- she demanded his resignation jmellman Mar 2019 #107

Along with over 30 other Senators the very same morning Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #131

I don't think Gillibrand has much of a chance Politicub Mar 2019 #109

Well said Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #132

Meh Lotusflower70 Mar 2019 #129

She was not the only candidate calling for Al Franken's resignation, and for those arguing that "she still_one Mar 2019 #151

No, but she's the only one running on it, which is all on her. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #154

Can't argue with that reasoning. Excellent point still_one Mar 2019 #156

She's NOT running on it. She responded to questions about it. brooklynite Mar 2019 #158

Bottom Line: Gillibrand helped out in a Roger Stone Rat Fucking Operation of Al Franken in order ... Botany Mar 2019 #153

Got fundraising call today maineac May 2019 #170

The Franken incident is mentioned in the comments in this article Gothmog Jul 2019 #171