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PoindexterOglethorpe

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49. And if you retire into a rising market, you need to understand
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:14 AM
Sep 2019

that at some point the market will pull back.

As someone whose pension is less than 1/3 of what it should be (the company I worked for was able to get out from under its (underfunded) pension obligation in a bankruptcy or two) I have far less faith in pensions than I do in things like a 401k. Putting aside money and investing it sensibly is the way to go. I know, some companies require you invest in their stock, which is a truly hideous choice. Enron, anyone? Especially if you're a couple and your significant other works for the same company. Not enough diversification.

I am fortunate. I have a tiny pension (remember it's less than a third of what it should be, but fortunately I never expected it to be even as much as it currently is), Social Security, two annuities (and annuities get an undeserved bad rap), and I also take out money every month from my investments. I actually have a larger income now than I've ever had. I'm not only paying my bills (which include a mortgage), living reasonably well on a day to day basis, but I'm saving money. Lucky me.

People sometimes post as if 401k plans are not much better than Russian Roulette. You need to do the appropriate research on the choices available. You might need to move money around. But trust me, a 401k can be enormously better than a pension. Notice that I've mentioned my pension is less than 1/3 of what it should be. The people in my former company who were truly screwed were the ones who worked 30 years and honestly thought that pension would be there for them. It should have been double their SS amount, maybe even a bit more. Instead, it's less than half of their SS amount. Do the math. The average Social Security check is something like $1400/month. Not enough to live on in most places. If that were my total income I'd be living with my sister or on the street. If I thought I was going to have $3,000/month from my pension, and it's now $870/month, well you can do the math here as well.

Here's the thing about the stock market. It periodically posts new highs. It never posts new lows. So if you're buying and selling trying to time the market, well, not to put too fine a point on it, you're an idiot. Find good funds or good stocks and stick with them. Don't sell because the market goes down. That's a time, if you have extra cash, to buy.

Being invested for the long run is a good thing.

I first started buying stocks in the late 1970s. I've been through a lot of ups and downs and they've mostly been ups, Yeah, I got hurt in the tech bubble in 2000, but simply by staying put I did okay.

People here worry about a stock market crash as if it will be 1929 all over again. That is so unlikely to happen that I can't fully express the unlikelihood. To repeat myself. The stock market posts new highs on a more or less regular basis. It never posts new lows. Last week when I was talking to my financial guy and said that to him, he was thunderstruck. He'd never thought about it that way. But you should.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Elizabeth Warren is so right CountAllVotes Sep 2019 #1
Thank goodness she has someone Demobrat Sep 2019 #19
So many do not have anyone CountAllVotes Sep 2019 #34
Exactly! warmfeet Sep 2019 #40
A little history DownriverDem Sep 2019 #53
Women have been penalized by this system if they stayed home to care for family.. Grasswire2 Sep 2019 #61
+1000 bluewater Sep 2019 #62
K&R!!! Millions suffer in the US! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2019 #2
Half the country is doing very well HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #3
Half? FiveGoodMen Sep 2019 #9
+1 ReformedGOPer Sep 2019 #37
It's very difficult gelsdorf Sep 2019 #4
Two of the last 3 COLAs were gone to rent increases before I got them... Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #11
The increase in Medicare supplemental insurance premiums.... SergeStorms Sep 2019 #21
Yup, totally burns my ass that the supplemental, which only covers 20%, costs so incredibly more dhol82 Sep 2019 #28
Retirement's rough. ChazInAz Sep 2019 #48
Ain't it the truth. Desert Dem Sep 2019 #5
Go Warren! zentrum Sep 2019 #6
Has there ever been a time someone could love on Social Security alone? The Mouth Sep 2019 #7
Depends on how much you made when working... Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #12
Damn The Mouth Sep 2019 #13
That's from decades of very bad policy that intentionally redistributed wealth upward. Kurt V. Sep 2019 #29
Hey, those jets and private islands ain't gonna pay for themselves The Mouth Sep 2019 #54
Tell us something we don't know considering there's been an SS impending crisis elocs Sep 2019 #8
Vote for Democratic candidates at all levels for a start rurallib Sep 2019 #15
I've voted for Democrats in every election & at every level for 47 years now. elocs Sep 2019 #16
I always heard that if wishes were horses Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #32
There are many You Tube video's showing people how they live in their car on 850 per month Oppaloopa Sep 2019 #10
I know, I watch them and though some do it just for the mobility Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #33
The GOPigs will never stop trying to cut benefits. LudwigPastorius Sep 2019 #14
We'd all love an increase snowybirdie Sep 2019 #17
"Never intended" is never a reason to stop evolving as a society. stopbush Sep 2019 #22
The three legged stool. ChiTownDenny Sep 2019 #27
And with negative interest rates on the horizon Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #35
The problem is people lived longer TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #39
She is Spot on...................... turbinetree Sep 2019 #18
ELIMINATE the Gross Earned Income Cap...... ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2019 #20
Yep. 95% of Americans pay into SS on 100% of their income. stopbush Sep 2019 #23
The intent of social security needs to be redefined. AJT Sep 2019 #24
Not to mention the disability benefits especially for those disabled cstanleytech Sep 2019 #25
Social Security was always intended to be one leg of a three-legged stool. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #26
And good luck with your 401k if the market crashes around the time of your retirement. dhol82 Sep 2019 #30
Yep. NT. warmfeet Sep 2019 #41
And if you retire into a rising market, you need to understand PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #49
And the intent of Workmen's Compensation was to pay Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #43
One thing to fix is Medicare taking every penny of every raise Amimnoch Sep 2019 #31
I'm figuring Social Security should be twice what it is. LiberalFighter Sep 2019 #36
Social Security has essentially a ten year vesting. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #50
this woman needs to be the next president.... throwthe_shoe Sep 2019 #38
I could not agree more. warmfeet Sep 2019 #42
im on ssi. when congress gave us a raise last year , this year ss goes to me you make too much AllaN01Bear Sep 2019 #44
Why do people support trump and the GOP then duforsure Sep 2019 #45
Why? Blue_true Sep 2019 #47
Like everything else that is financial. Blue_true Sep 2019 #46
I don't know about everyone else. But I'm surviving. MySideOfTown Sep 2019 #51
SSI is also too small. ColesCountyDem Sep 2019 #52
As a retiree I'm more worried about my SS getting smaller than it is now elocs Sep 2019 #55
My mom and dad only get about $5300 a month in SS madville Sep 2019 #56
5300? Wow, that's more than the 3100 my brother and his wife bring home a month cstanleytech Sep 2019 #57
Mom owned a bookkeeping business, Dad was a salesman madville Sep 2019 #70
Only? Boomer Sep 2019 #59
! CountAllVotes Sep 2019 #67
It's about what I gross in my current job madville Sep 2019 #69
Only? What sort of medical coverage do they have? SMC22307 Sep 2019 #65
Yeah madville Sep 2019 #68
$5300/mo.! CountAllVotes Sep 2019 #66
I live on $1194 a month and I'm doing fine Kaleva Sep 2019 #71
This is SOOOOO true StarzGuy Sep 2019 #58
and now McConnell plans to cut "benefits" and cut back Medicare lab testing. Grasswire2 Sep 2019 #60
Yes they are, but social security was Progressive dog Sep 2019 #63
This, along with Medicare at 55, are winning issues. SMC22307 Sep 2019 #64
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