The number of men saying women's health care, abortion, is irrelevant is enraging.

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4. Even here. I had a conversation with one DUer who said, "The importance

of the overturning of abortion is that it shows that soon they will come after MY rights."

I saw a few in the last few weeks saying, "If Democrats don't win it will be women's fault. It means they don't think abortion is a big deal." Or "The results of this election will tell us how important abortion is to women." Or "Women are too lazy to get out and vote for their rights."

I see ALL those as hateful statements about women. They reveal to me unequivocally the ingrained antipathy these men have toward women, antipathy they probably don't even know they have because it was planted in them early and has always been there.

We are STILL not thought of as actual human beings by MANY men.