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34. the reason we have a first amendment is that we cannot trust the legislature to protect speech
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

First, there was no law in place that would have protected the NAACP in the Claiborne Hardware case. And no law passed after the fact (which would never have happened anyway) would have helped -- it would have been too late. Moreover, the federal government can't be relied on to figure out how to protect all sorts of speakers in advance, particularly with 50 states potentially passing legislation that would restrict speech.

Second,what is and is not "the press" is a slippery concept: once upon a time, it was easy: print. But then we started to have electronic communications -- radio, TV. Are movies (and movie studios) the "press"? Is DU the "press"?

You may not realize it, but once upon a time (1952 -- not really that long ago), New York state had a law under which a censor could forbid the commercial showing of any motion picture film the censor deemed to be "sacrilegious". Joseph Burstyn, Inc., described in the court's opinion as a corporation engaged in the business of distributing motion pictures, brought suit challenging a decision by the censor revoking its license to exhibit a particular movie. The court, without ever dwelling on the fact that the plaintiff was a corporate entity, found that the NY law constituted an unconstitutional prior restraint on speech. That's why we don't rely on legislatures to protect speech.

Finally, I turn to Justice William O. Douglas, possibly the foremost defender of the first amendment in the history of the Supreme Court, for his words (joined by Justice Black), in a case involving a law that barred unions and other corporate entities from making political expenditures -- a law Douglas and Black contended was unconstitutional:

We deal here with a problem that is fundamental to the electoral process and to the operation of our democratic society. It is whether a union can express its views on the issues of an election and on the merits of the candidates, unrestrained and unfettered by the Congress. The principle at stake is not peculiar to unions. It is applicable as well to associations of manufacturers, retail and wholesale trade groups, consumers' leagues, farmers' unions, religious groups, and every other association representing a segment of American life and taking an active part in our political campaigns and discussions. It is as important an issue as has come before the Court, for it reaches the very vitals of our system of government. Under our Constitution, it is We The People who are sovereign. The people have the final say. The legislators are their spokesmen. The people determine through their votes the destiny of the nation. It is therefore important -- vitally important -- that all channels of communication be open to them during every election, that no point of view be restrained or barred, and that the people have access to the views of every group in the community.

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Bernie Sanders TSIAS Jan 2016 #1
Let them add it to the 'the record' vkkv Jan 2016 #2
Either of them gwheezie Jan 2016 #3
Yes, Hillary won't jeopardize Roe, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #13
+1 cui bono Jan 2016 #32
The early voting doesn't look good for the Hillary Forum where they vkkv Jan 2016 #4
Someone that doesn't like debate JackInGreen Jan 2016 #10
That's quite ironic Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #11
Oh that is priceless, especially the 'Billary' comment. Kentonio Jan 2016 #20
How earth DID you find THIS from 2008 ?? vkkv Jan 2016 #22
I kind of stumbled on that a few months ago Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #28
Probably Bernie Kalidurga Jan 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author vkkv Jan 2016 #6
Let's see, at this point 88 views..18 votes.. that is 70 Hillary supporters who are afraid to say vkkv Jan 2016 #7
Bernie - 3 to 1 at this point - Hillary Forum fans can .. you know what! vkkv Jan 2016 #8
Definitely would pick a justice that would reverse "corporate personhood" decisions... cascadiance Jan 2016 #9
Actually, Bernie's position on CU, appropriately, is much narrower than that onenote Jan 2016 #17
Corporate Personhood is larger than Citizen's United... cascadiance Jan 2016 #18
Do you think the NAACP, MoveON, DU, and unions should not be protected by the First Amendment? onenote Jan 2016 #23
They nor corporations are NOT "natural persons" and aren't given rights by the 14th amendment... cascadiance Jan 2016 #24
So you would have allowed the NY Times to be prosecuted onenote Jan 2016 #25
Sorry, but the Bill of Rights was designed for NATURAL persons, not artificial persons... cascadiance Jan 2016 #26
The "press" could be an individual. You can't have it both ways onenote Jan 2016 #30
The press itself is mentioned specifically in the constitution. Corporations are not! cascadiance Jan 2016 #33
the reason we have a first amendment is that we cannot trust the legislature to protect speech onenote Jan 2016 #34
The flaw in your argument anigbrowl Jan 2016 #35
The flaw in your argument... cascadiance Jan 2016 #36
Get real. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #37
Then I guess you must just love the Hobby Lobby decision if you love corporate personhood rights! cascadiance Jan 2016 #40
Oh please anigbrowl Jan 2016 #41
corporate personhood is centuries old and not going away Recursion Jan 2016 #44
NO, there is NO reason we can't have LEGISLATED LAW to permit them being sued... cascadiance Jan 2016 #45
Sorry, you must have replied to the wrong post Recursion Jan 2016 #46
The reality is that there wouldn't be much difference in who they would pick onenote Jan 2016 #12
This, plus firebrand80 Jan 2016 #14
I agree Enrique Jan 2016 #38
Both. n/t Nonhlanhla Jan 2016 #15
I think both would do an equivalently good job el_bryanto Jan 2016 #16
Not even close. 99Forever Jan 2016 #19
Hillary Forum can't be happy about THESE results! vkkv Jan 2016 #21
The democratic president.... AuntPatsy Jan 2016 #27
I think either would select fine nominees TeddyR Jan 2016 #29
ACTUAL kindergarteners would nominate better SC justices than the GOP Congress. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #31
Their picks would probably be identical or close to it DFW Jan 2016 #39
Pretty much. Recursion Jan 2016 #43
Meh. There's a fixed set they're drawing from Recursion Jan 2016 #42
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