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2016 Postmortem

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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 02:11 PM Aug 2016

Ten points of agreement, and why we should seek down-ballot support from Greens and Libertarians [View all]

I do not understand how anyone could support Trump, and at least the supporters of Stein-Baraka and Johnson-Weld share our view that Trump is a completely unacceptable candidate.

Still, I nevertheless see a lot of disparagement of Libertarian and Green Party voters here.

Based on these ten points, which I suspect we all agree upon, I would rather see us reaching out to Greens and Libertarians with regard to their down-ballot votes instead of demonizing the Greens and Libertarians:

1. Trump, Stein and Johnson are all unqualified to be president;
2. Hillary is well qualified to be president;
3. Stein and Johnson have zero chance of being elected;
4. The presidential race is a binary election, but millions will nevertheless vote for a third party;
5. There is a long history of third parties in American democracy so we may as well acknowledge that fact;
6. Control of the Senate is critical to advancing our Democratic agenda;
7. There are many down-ballot races where the Greens or the Libertarians do not even have a candidate;
8. Regardless of their presidential vote, we want down-ballot votes from Greens and Libertarians;
9. Demonizing Libertarians and Greens is not the best strategy to win their down-ballot votes; and
10.Demonizing Libertarians and Greens will not persuade them to switch their presidential preference.

Which of these ten points does anyone here disagree with?

How - exactly - does demonizing Green Party or Libertarian voters help us win the presidency or win back the control of the Senate or win any other down-ballot races?
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My sister is a Green DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #1
Define, "we." nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #2
We are Democrats Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #5
Welcome to the Party!!! nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #8
LOL Cali_Democrat Aug 2016 #24
Why do you keep posting this stuff? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #3
Because when I see us heading in a direction that seems less prone to success, I express that view. Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #7
I am sure that voting your 'conscience' is attractive...and those who have Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #11
STRAWMAN: Green Party members have long been welcome at DU, they are our allies. emulatorloo Aug 2016 #14
One last point. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #20
More accurately, "when I perceive, accurately or not, us heading down a direction..." LanternWaste Aug 2016 #40
+1 Hekate Aug 2016 #22
You kind of have to tolerate them...It's still legal to be a third party Armstead Aug 2016 #35
These people are not our allies. We are not here to be nice to them. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #4
Some of them are, and more of them could be. Orsino Aug 2016 #9
I will not ally with folks that foisted Bush on us. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #12
The Greens' share of the blame is insignificant... Orsino Aug 2016 #13
Baloney Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #34
No, they didn't. Orsino Aug 2016 #36
Greens who help us elect Dems are indeed our allies emulatorloo Aug 2016 #17
Any person who is too ignorant to understand how KMOD Aug 2016 #6
^^^ That^^^ x infinity onecaliberal Aug 2016 #21
I agree about Stein and Trump being unqualified. cloudbase Aug 2016 #10
He is a libertarian who would end civil rights... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #15
So now you will not vote in the presidential election? Princess Turandot Aug 2016 #16
No support for the Greens at all...we support the Democratic nominee. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #19
I am a Democrat. When you say *we*, who are you talking to? I have another question: Raine1967 Aug 2016 #18
Start GreenPartyUnderground already. JoePhilly Aug 2016 #23
FUCK the Greens and FUCK the Libertarians. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #25
I see you are consistently concerned Hekate Aug 2016 #26
I do not demonize greens, but I sure will Jill Stein. She is a selfish self-centered jerk who is still_one Aug 2016 #27
Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #31
'down-ballot Greens and Libertarians" joshcryer Aug 2016 #28
1st point alienates Greens & Libertarians: "unqualified". Off the rails start. Stopped reading. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #29
They have a choice, it doesn't require groveling to get their support. Give it a rest. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2016 #30
Libertarians are not our allies mwrguy Aug 2016 #32
Johnson is clearly qualified, he's two term governor. nm mr_liberal Aug 2016 #33
100 recs for DUer GreenPartyVoter riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #37
Refighting the primary... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #44
Because mature and thoughtful voters make their voting decisions based on how they were treated... NurseJackie Aug 2016 #38
So transparent. LexVegas Aug 2016 #39
I know, right? NurseJackie Aug 2016 #43
I've never met anyone who justified their vote on "I read mean things about candidate X... LanternWaste Aug 2016 #41
Right now I'm busy trying to get Skidmore Aug 2016 #42
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