2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Remember the people who were saying we should be nice to Jill Stein? [View all]Demsrule86
(71,245 posts)Lincoln caused the demise of the whigs...and civil war (which I think was inevitable but...still he did in the Whigs)
Nader was another spawn from hell who elected Bush...and yes he is very bad and the greens were certainly to blame.
Perot was bad for the GOP for sure...but he helped us... so depends on which side you are on He hurt the GOP and was a former member so he was a spoiler too.
Teddy Roosevelt helped elect Woodrow Willson...so the GOP considered him a spoiler.
Anderson was a GOP but actually siphoned off votes from Carter. He gave the commencement address at my college once and was popular with many young people.
All but Anderson damaged their parties so they acted as spoilers. And Anderson may have helped elect Regan in 80 so I consider him a spoiler of epic proportions as this ended liberalism for years. And most hurt the chances fo their party. And with Trump running we risk the courts for 30 years or so, risk LGBT rights and even their lives, risk immigrants,risk minority rights and will probably lose civil rights laws,risk a woman's right to choose and of course the entire world as Trump has suggested the use of nukes is fine with him. Millions of innocent Americans will be harmed by a Trump presidency. it takes a certain sort of arrogance and privilege to sacrifice others for any political view... and those who attempt to spoil the election for Hillary Clinton are poster children for privilege. Some have said voting down ballot but not for the top of the ticket is ok...I say it is not enough in this election year. No matter who is in Congress...Trump still gets to pack the courts and that would be disastrous for real progressives and all Americans...and I do not consider those voting for Stein or Stein herself progressive: such people help only the GOP and their actions speak much louder than any progressive words uttered along the way
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