2016 Postmortem

PatSeg

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125. You know

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:31 AM

Aug 2016

Lately I've analysed how I react to politicians like Trump and before that GW Bush and for the most part I just called them what they actually were. I don't use those cute little derogatory nicknames, many of which don't particularly offend me, but I find them rather pointless.

Donald Trump is clearly a liar, a bully, and a narcissist - those are simply statements of fact. I don't call him more vile names, not so much because HE doesn't deserve it, but because it reflects more on me than him. I watched that New York Times video of the Trump supporters and I don't ever want to be that ugly towards anyone, even Donald Trump.

People really, really need to be careful that they don't become what they profess to hate. Historically, fighting hate with hate has never really worked out too well.

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Remember the people who were saying we should be nice to Jill Stein? [View all] DanTex Aug 2016 OP

Only morons. Only morons. whatthehey Aug 2016 #1

Some are people with their heads in the clouds also. uppityperson Aug 2016 #6

I can't just give it away to someone who doesn't make me feel special Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #134

Good one! BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2016 #202

Unfortunately, Jill Stein's head isn't just up in the clouds. It's on Mars. calimary Aug 2016 #248

The ones saying we should be nice to Jill Stein are many of the same ones that are saying Squinch Aug 2016 #2

Fukkem! NurseJackie Aug 2016 #5

If you go far enough left, madaboutharry Aug 2016 #3

PREACH IT! nt ncgrits Aug 2016 #11

I usually describe my political feelings as 'somewhat to the left of Karl Marx'. Stonepounder Aug 2016 #17

I agree with you PatSeg Aug 2016 #36

Same Here Leith Aug 2016 #41

+1. nt tblue37 Aug 2016 #78

"To the left of Marx."? I'm just curious, in what way? liberalnarb Aug 2016 #112

Not in any specific way, I simply find it a convenient catch-phrase. Stonepounder Aug 2016 #175

That doesn't sound like your vision is to the left of Marx. woolldog Aug 2016 #285

Over the years I have been involved with many far left groups. Scruffy1 Aug 2016 #236

The horseshoe theory SticksnStones Aug 2016 #20

That is ridiculous PatSeg Aug 2016 #39

It's just a theory SticksnStones Aug 2016 #64

Oh, okay PatSeg Aug 2016 #71

It's an interesting layout of the theory SticksnStones Aug 2016 #95

Oh yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #109

In the 60's there were some violent lefties. lark Aug 2016 #231

Yes that is true PatSeg Aug 2016 #288

It's been a near universal role switch lark Aug 2016 #392

And instead of the Weathermen and SDS, PatSeg Aug 2016 #402

My ex husband was teaching at Univ Wisconsin - Madison womanofthehills Aug 2016 #449

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact Johnyawl Aug 2016 #98

That is a very good point PatSeg Aug 2016 #110

When extremists take power, oppressive dictatorships result DFW Aug 2016 #173

That is true PatSeg Aug 2016 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author relayerbob Aug 2016 #107

Not so ridiculous. Squinch Aug 2016 #169

Yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #171

THEY think they are real Democrats, and even further, THEY think Squinch Aug 2016 #237

And also indicative PatSeg Aug 2016 #291

It's an interesting occurance n/t SticksnStones Aug 2016 #213

not really as both the far far left and far far right are often murderous authoritarians Grey Lemercier Aug 2016 #283

Agreed PatSeg Aug 2016 #289

oh yes, absolutely agree that Sanders supporters are nowhere near Maoists Grey Lemercier Aug 2016 #314

Oh no, not at all PatSeg Aug 2016 #315

Recovery does take time - I see it slowly happening on Facebook and with my friends womanofthehills Aug 2016 #450

I remember the primaries in 2008 PatSeg Aug 2016 #451

The far right and far left have more in common with each other randr Aug 2016 #326

I call it the Pacman Tunnel of madness. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #212

We'll I don't know that I'd go as far as "batshit crazy" SticksnStones Aug 2016 #215

Fwiw, if you become more and more extreme in PERSONALITY Hortensis Aug 2016 #192

I thought you ran into Gandhi. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #361

Where is she getting the $ to run these ads? Does she have backing or her donation numbers growing? Person 2713 Aug 2016 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author oberliner Aug 2016 #13

He's a fool. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #15

He didn't! SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #40

Apologies oberliner Aug 2016 #47

Thanks. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #52

Both Make it Plain and Thom Hartmann have had Jill Stein on their shows. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #256

Yeah, I thought I remembered she'd been on. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #271

Same old same old Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #274

And that's why this thread is useful. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #277

That is what they do. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #287

That is a good question treestar Aug 2016 #177

My guess is the Koch brothers or similar. auntpurl Aug 2016 #186

Yep. Fuck Jill and her ridiculous bullshit bravenak Aug 2016 #7

I'm seriously considering, asocial as I am, SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #42

She is really getting stupid these days. bravenak Aug 2016 #45

She needs to drop out. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #54

She has always been kinda delusional, though.... bravenak Aug 2016 #59

I'll take your word for it. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #63

this is an election. runaway hero Aug 2016 #8

Yes, something like this happened in 2000. lapucelle Aug 2016 #16

Gary Johnson takes way more R votes than Stein takes D votes 7962 Aug 2016 #62

And we have to fight for ALL of them. The only thing standing between Trump and the WH Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #145

Now that's a ridiculous argument! CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #483

You do bring up another point; 7962 Aug 2016 #508

I believe that you addressed your own point adequately. CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #513

I was attacked for calling her an anti-science, anti-vax enabling threat in swing states Grey Lemercier Aug 2016 #9

I'm sorry you were attacked. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #65

"I'm sorry you were attacked." geologic Aug 2016 #224

Well, I said I'd have trouble, not that I wouldn't successfully resist. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #226

And even more so since I've personally seen the ads. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #272

Good grief. And the comment wasn't even in this subthread. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #278

I just saw her ad on MSBC JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #251

Add Stein to the list: Libertarian+Tea Party+Christian Coalition =John Birch Society of the Koch Fam misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #10

general walker SheriffBob Aug 2016 #247

Fuck Jill Stein. yardwork Aug 2016 #12

Ditto. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #44

I'd rather not. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #241

Your 15 minutes are up, 'Doctor' Stein. Get the fuck lost. nt onehandle Aug 2016 #14

She's not a real doctor? freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #28

Typo. I meant to say 'Wise smart normal non-egomaniac' onehandle Aug 2016 #37

She's a fucking quack. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #147

I guess that's what you call someone who . . . freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #191

it's what you call them if they promote homeopathy and say questions about vaccines are "reasonable" CreekDog Aug 2016 #194

Because questions about vaccines are by definition never reasonable. freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #196

she's a physician, she is expected to know better CreekDog Aug 2016 #218

The questions that she is referring to... reACTIONary Aug 2016 #268

So why do you think the goverment pays billions of dollars for vaccine injuries" womanofthehills Aug 2016 #468

No, the government does not pay out billions of dollars for vaccine injuries CreekDog Aug 2016 #476

Like Dr. Ben Carson is such a genius? Jill Stein is afraid WiFi signals are killing kids. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #199

I only questioned your calling her a quack. freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #205

I will be happy to provide you an answer to each of those after you answer but one Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #208

I just don't see the point of slamming her on irrelevancies. freedom fighter jh Aug 2016 #210

Your actions show that you do support Jill Stein Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #227

+100 !! reACTIONary Aug 2016 #269

But she is a real worm SwankyXomb Aug 2016 #244

Jill Stein (G-Moron) IS A FUCKING FASCIST!!!!! MohRokTah Aug 2016 #18

Third parties are spoilers. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #19

True. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #49

I saw one of Stein's Hillary attack ads on MSNBC. Stein is an asshole. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #21

OMG. What on earth is her deal? nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #60

I don't recall offhand, who was it? Eom GusBob Aug 2016 #22

It's no less short-sited to tell progressives to fuck-off. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #23

I'm a progressive. Jill Stein is the one telling progressives to fuck off. DanTex Aug 2016 #24

As are you. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #25

Jill Stein is no progressive Expecting Rain Aug 2016 #26

And the merry-go-round continues. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #30

"Progressive" doesn't mean "I drive a Prius" or "I'm a straight-ticket Democrat" or "I volunteer at Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #389

It does mean that you vote for the Democratic nominee...who is the only one Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #486

I'm not running anti-Hillary ads in swing states. DanTex Aug 2016 #29

I suspect many progressives are not, either Gore1FL Aug 2016 #32

Correct. Because Jill Stein is not a progressive. She's a right-wing surrogate. DanTex Aug 2016 #33

You are telling progressives who do not support Hillary to fuck off Gore1FL Aug 2016 #35

No, I'm telling Jill Stein to fuck off. Are you saying she's a progressive? DanTex Aug 2016 #43

I am saying you posted a divisive OP and should be ashamed. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #51

How is my OP divisive? Jill Stein is a right-wing tool, and I'm criticizing her. DanTex Aug 2016 #56

I'm a hard-line Bernie supporter. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #69

Thank you! DanTex Aug 2016 #94

Because you label progressives that don;t agree with you as things they are not. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #137

Nice to see I'm not alone PatSeg Aug 2016 #91

Dunno who you are replying to, but thanks. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #101

I think it was Gore1Fl PatSeg Aug 2016 #105

Gore1FL was quite uncivil. You have demonstrated a certain selectivenes in your concern for civility Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #148

I recommend you alert on the post where I was. nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #266

There is no such thing as a progressive who is not supporting the Democratic candidate. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #178

Purity test. Awesome. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #262

No, if you are willing to risk Trump wining then you care nothing for progressive causes. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #265

If the Stein voters are not progressive as people on this thread (and others) contend Gore1FL Aug 2016 #267

Any vote for Stein is a vote for Trump...one less vote for Hillary. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #275

Or one less for Trump based on the argument that she isn't progressive. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #279

It does not work that way. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #286

So they ARE progressives in political veiwpoint. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #292

So they SAYYYYY. But when you walk like a duck, talk like a duck, & look like a duck... AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #297

So you think its a good idea to driver her supporters off? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #366

They are loooong gone. There's no catching that bus no matter WHAT we do. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #374

So then they aren't hurting Hillary by not voting for her if they were not intending to anyway Gore1FL Aug 2016 #375

Make no mistake. It is MEANT to hurt Hillary. But fortunately they are irrelevant. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #378

Yet we have to discuss for 3 days the merits of disparaging them... Gore1FL Aug 2016 #379

Because you drag it on. You are responsible for that. Congratulations. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #380

Um no. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #381

Um, yes. All up and down this thread, you have more posts than the author of OP. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #382

Yeah I noticed I have had to respond a lot Gore1FL Aug 2016 #384

You don't get to dictate how people echoes themselves or their politics. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #432

If they are HER supporters skepticscott Aug 2016 #383

They are progressives. People are claiming Stein is taking them away from Hillary as voters Gore1FL Aug 2016 #385

I'll ask again, since you seem determined to ignore direct questions skepticscott Aug 2016 #459

What about for down ballot races? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #462

My argument is the same as the one I made below skepticscott Aug 2016 #465

There were people here at DU that argued they were voting in the primary based on hurt feelings Gore1FL Aug 2016 #467

You still refuse to answer my direct question skepticscott Aug 2016 #480

I answered it. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #482

No. they mouth progressive platitudes but act as an attachment of the GOP...by Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #365

You can only help elect republicans if you vote for Republicans Gore1FL Aug 2016 #368

So why take actions to drive them away? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #338

This is a site that support the nominee. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #364

So driving off progressives will get them to vote Democratic? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #370

She is running ads in swings states ...these ads target Hillary...and are intended to take Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #321

I am not defending her. I am defending progressives Gore1FL Aug 2016 #337

Greens talk the progessive talk but walk the Republican walk enabling a right wing agenda by Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #367

If you want them as allies and voters, why should they be driven off? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #369

The fact they are running ads in swing states shows they will never be allies Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #393

They are part of the liberal coalition that should vote Democratic. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #395

They are a seperate party and run their own candidates Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #487

Then a vote for them isn't a vote for trump. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #494

No, I disagree there. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #55

I think you need to be here a little longer PatSeg Aug 2016 #129

This is very RUDE of you! It is uncalled for to wage a personal attack against someone Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #149

Yes, especially when skepticscott Aug 2016 #203

Yup! Couln't agree more! Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #207

Never! skepticscott Aug 2016 #217

You're entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #163

I don't care how long one is here Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #179

As a rule I don't generally PatSeg Aug 2016 #182

Very few progressives are supporting Stein CreekDog Aug 2016 #195

By that argument she's taking votes away from Trump. What is your concern, then? nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #280

Stop with the BS, she's taking even fewer votes from Trump CreekDog Aug 2016 #281

Exactly. The outrage is BS. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #284

No, the outrage isn't BS, it's based on the falsehoods she's peddling CreekDog Aug 2016 #290

You seem to be talking in circles. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #293

what is an example of me talking in circles, please provide quotes. CreekDog Aug 2016 #295

OK here: Gore1FL Aug 2016 #296

copy and paste the words. wtf. CreekDog Aug 2016 #300

I am sorry I thought you has a mouse with a scroll wheel. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #304

i can't make your argument for you, and you shouldn't be so lazy as to not back up the accusation CreekDog Aug 2016 #313

I don't have concern for Jill Stein. You shouldn't really reply to sub-threads you haven't read. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #386

I criticized Stein for quackery and you're trying to make it sound like I criticized her supporters CreekDog Aug 2016 #427

My initial post was about civility. You jumped in on the arguments against me. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #428

WTF do you mean "if WE want their votes"? skepticscott Aug 2016 #455

"We" being fellow progressives. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #457

You're great at dodging and ignoring questions skepticscott Aug 2016 #458

What question didn't I answer? nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #497

stop with the BS. when I criticized Stein you later tried to say I was criticizing her supporters CreekDog Aug 2016 #493

How is calling Stein a quack helpful? nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #496

Why are you assuming Jill Stein or her supporters are progressives? BzaDem Aug 2016 #118

Greens are typically left-leaning. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #165

Not really Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #180

Link? Please show where the Koch brothers are funding Stein as you claim Gore1FL Aug 2016 #307

The right wing funded Nader we know that...now who do you suppose is paying the Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #323

I am waiting for links that support your arguments Gore1FL Aug 2016 #336

Here is one Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #491

So them voting for a candidate other than Trump isn't a vote for Trump. nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #495

It could be any right wing group...but the money is coming from somewhere...and the Greens Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #372

FFS Gore1FL Aug 2016 #373

What is the actual evidence in favor of that proposition? BzaDem Aug 2016 #234

To be clear, I am talking about those voters. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #306

This message was self-deleted by its author AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #298

Stein would be running anti Trump ads if she was a Progressive obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #160

Why are people so concerned about a 5% candidate, then? nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #166

You tell me. I have no idea. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #181

Were you born in 2001? skepticscott Aug 2016 #204

Gore won Florida and it was stolen. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #303

If Nader hadn't run skepticscott Aug 2016 #333

I am arguing that greens are progressives Gore1FL Aug 2016 #335

Why don't you answer the question that if she was progressive, why AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #299

I am not a Stein supporter nor do I work with her campaign Gore1FL Aug 2016 #301

But you are defending her and her campaign. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #302

No I am not Gore1FL Aug 2016 #305

I don't think anyone is trying peel those voters away from the green party. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #308

But the Dems are peeling GOP voters away. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #309

The democratic party IS the big tent of political views. Always has been. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #310

Do you have a link to support that claim? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #311

No. I don't have a link and it is Saturday morning AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #316

If you can't support your assertions you shouldn't make them. nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #339

So you disregard everything else? Figures... AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #344

"everything else" was continued unsupported assertions, too. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #345

Here: AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #348

Now let's add the Independent graph included in your article: Gore1FL Aug 2016 #350

I never said anything about insulting the liberal sector. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #353

I did. It was the response to the OP that set this all off. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #354

I get where you are coming from but NO ONE AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #356

I'm not defending Stein or her ads Gore1FL Aug 2016 #357

"Liberals" who put out attacks on the only progressive nominee AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #396

Nope. Sorry. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #400

They have a right to criticize however they want. You don't get to censor them. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #404

I am not trying to censor people. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #405

Because they aren't running for election. This is a discussion board AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #412

"stupid party unity shit" is really a silly thing for you to complain about Gore1FL Aug 2016 #414

It offends me that you feel the need to go around telling people AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #415

...Says the person who doesn't want others to express themselves. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #417

I am not defending Jill Stein Gore1FL Aug 2016 #387

How bizarre that it has become controversial to suggest "if your want someone's vote, probably you Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #388

What part of they are not joining us NO MATTER WHAT do you not get? AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #397

Then they aren't detracting from Hillary's vote count by not voting for her. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #403

YOU are the one that keeps bringing up party unity and shit. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #407

"Party Unity and shit" is the attitude I am trying to adjust. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #411

90% have already pivoted. It's over. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #413

Is see, so we should pretend we are on a playground and call people names. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #416

It's not name calling. It is called math. Sorry it offends you. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #418

The weird name-calling offends me. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #419

I am not digging up more obvious stuff. Go do your homework. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #420

Math doesn't offend me. Name calling offends me. You haven't presented any math. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #425

Math involves numbers. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #422

I don't know what the hell your point is. Noone is sitting on their laurels. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #424

My point is being civil is a good thing. For whatever reason, you disagree. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #426

You are going around in circles now. And I am going to call you out on your incivility. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #430

I am not going around in circles. I have said we should be civil. I still am. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #431

It is called TOS. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #433

I am familiar with it. In fact, there is a whole section on civility: Gore1FL Aug 2016 #434

Incivility is not tolerated when it is directed at democrats. The rest are free for plucking. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #435

You forgot about this part: Gore1FL Aug 2016 #436

Key words are Democratic coalition. The green party is not part of that. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #437

Yeah they are. Let me explain how the two party system for president works. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #438

Is that why the green party put out attack ads on the democratic nominee? AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #439

I am talking about the voters, still. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #440

Quit hiding behind the word civil. You use it for your own agenda. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #441

I am not saying you are uncivil You are arguing that it's a good idea. I am not sure why. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #442

I didn't say it was a good idea. What I keep saying is that you don't get to tell people HOW to talk AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #443

I am free to tell people my opinion. It's my opinion that calling people names is silly. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #445

You just like to harass people then. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #446

I am not harassing anyone. Perhaps you are thinking of someone else Gore1FL Aug 2016 #448

The only divisiveness is your dictating how people should express themselves. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #452

I am asking people to refrain from name-calling. The name calling is divisive, to be sure. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #453

They can call green officials whatever they want. You seem AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #454

It's normal adult behavior not to call people names. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #456

You miss the point entirely. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #460

You consider suggesting that we not call people names here, harassment? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #464

It is called free speech. Quit harassing people here. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #472

Where have I harrased people? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #477

This is the last time I repeat this. People have a right to express their AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #499

I never said they didn't have the right. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #501

It is divisive b/c you are defending the green party on a democratic board. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #504

I am not defending the Green party. I am suggesting that being uncivil is not useful. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #506

It is also normal to call people names in their anger. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #461

I am not dictating. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #463

My position is not untenable. Yours is, though. You are harassing democrats on a democratic board. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #473

How am I harassing people by asking them to not to call people names? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #478

Go look all up and down this thread. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #479

Responding to people responding to me is harrassment? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #481

It's better than the story you're going with. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #498

That being civil is not as divisive as not? That good manners are a positive thing? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #500

People can express their opinions however they want. Get off your high horse. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #502

I never said they couldn't. I just said doing so was divisive and ineffective Gore1FL Aug 2016 #503

It is not decisive if you support the democratic nominee. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #505

The word is "divisive." and has little to do with who I support. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #507

I know the word is divisive. Auto correct thought otherwise. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #510

I don't generally alert, so I'll let your violations go. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #511

It is not black and white. Tolerance is a great concept that I AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #512

Here's another one: AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #351

Maybe she is more interested in pushing the Dem party more to the left womanofthehills Aug 2016 #470

With Trump as president? Riiiight.... AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #471

Her numbers are so low I don't see her having much of an effect womanofthehills Aug 2016 #474

That's very true. She won't make a difference. Her #'s are too low. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #475

It's tweets as well? SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #174

She ran against Obama in 2012, has called him a "war criminal," said he was just like Romney Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #214

Thanks. I never really paid attention to her before. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #228

Jill Stein isn't a progressive. D23MIURG23 Aug 2016 #225

She told Jill Stein to fuck off not a progressive. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #257

Yeah, I'm seeing them in Michigan. She has a LOT of nerve equating HRC with Drumpf. catbyte Aug 2016 #27

Wonder where the money is coming from? Nader took Repub money for his last campaign... Hekate Aug 2016 #31

Gotta be Koch money or some such right wing super pac groundloop Aug 2016 #34

Whoa. I did not know that. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #72

I wonder who paid for Jill's slick ads? farmbo Aug 2016 #38

I wanna know. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #73

As a Bernie supporter, I find Stein's message beyond the pale. GoneOffShore Aug 2016 #46

Good lord! PatSeg Aug 2016 #48

Stein is running attack ads against Hillary. In swing states. DanTex Aug 2016 #53

If you are insinuating something, PatSeg Aug 2016 #68

You're the one insinuating: "This can't possibly be Democratic Underground." DanTex Aug 2016 #75

If she's running attack ads against Hillary, SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #76

And that is fine PatSeg Aug 2016 #85

Not in a rational world. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #88

Some say he got more blame than he deserved PatSeg Aug 2016 #96

I see what you're saying. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #116

I am in New Hampshire PatSeg Aug 2016 #119

Yep. Interesting times. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #121

Do not let yourself be bullied by transparent Green-party apologists Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #150

Seems like you're passive-aggressively defending Charles Bukowski Aug 2016 #93

Welcome to DU PatSeg Aug 2016 #99

You're right. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #122

You've been a pleasure to talk with PatSeg Aug 2016 #127

Same here. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #130

Oh yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #135

Okay label Stein in a manner she richly deserves - "Totally Unqualified" CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #484

"Totally Unqualified" PatSeg Aug 2016 #492

I agree about over the top, sort of. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #97

Oh yes, yes, yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #102

. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #108

Of course she is a threat. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #466

Waste energy? SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #79

Trump is the threat! PatSeg Aug 2016 #86

Right. And she might make a real good decoy. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #89

I don't know a lot about her, PatSeg Aug 2016 #114

As far as I'm concerned SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #128

I can't figure out what she is trying PatSeg Aug 2016 #131

So true. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #133

You see I lived through the 2000 election Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #183

I understand that PatSeg Aug 2016 #197

Attack Ads Gaytheist212 Aug 2016 #187

Welcome to DU PatSeg Aug 2016 #320

Folks are legitimately upset because she is wittingly or unwittingly enabling Trump... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #317

I understand PatSeg Aug 2016 #322

"the ugly slanderous attacks" are Stein attacking Hillary obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #161

No one is suggesting PatSeg Aug 2016 #170

My nutty cousin supports her.. mountain grammy Aug 2016 #50

Obscenities and name calling . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #57

Do you have a problem with me calling Trump an idiot? DanTex Aug 2016 #61

Yes, because it shows that . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #66

Really? I'm no better than Trump is? DanTex Aug 2016 #67

Your brand of hate is better? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #140

Your distress over Stein and Trump being called naughty words is such a tell Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #153

I understand the difference between the nomination phase and the actual election. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #164

Oh I see. Your outrage at name-calling is election-cycle dependent and applies only to others. Well Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #206

As opposed to yours which is apparently constant. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #294

I'm OK with that lingo, (not that you need my permission) FairWinds Aug 2016 #190

Have you tried "respectfully reaching out" to a Trump supporter? ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #84

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #151

Yes, I have, frequently . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #189

Sorry, the behavior of Stein reported here SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #83

You know PatSeg Aug 2016 #125

Good points, agree. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #132

Yes I think you're right PatSeg Aug 2016 #136

I've never said to be nice to Jill Stein MrScorpio Aug 2016 #58

It is an election. We're not North Korea. Do you hate democracy? George Eliot Aug 2016 #70

It didn't always used to be this hateful PatSeg Aug 2016 #81

I like democracy, and I also like my right to speak out against right-wing idiots like DanTex Aug 2016 #82

Amen, and thank you. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #92

Hear hear! redstateblues Aug 2016 #106

I'm with you, DanTex, and THANK YOU for this thread! Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #154

Baloney. Jill Stein is s a spoiler and if you love Democracy Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #259

you say "Jill Stein never does anything worthwhile" - definitely not true womanofthehills Aug 2016 #469

What? Her anti-vax routine? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #485

Who is funding those high priced ads? kimbutgar Aug 2016 #74

Me either. Follow the money. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #113

There is no need to treat Stein with kid gloves Gothmog Aug 2016 #77

"Jill who" angrychair Aug 2016 #80

I hope you're right. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #87

Now that is a really good question PatSeg Aug 2016 #115

A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #90

Amen. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #123

That's like "being nice" to a runaway staph infection. No. You nip that shit in the bud. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #100

I saw one today MFM008 Aug 2016 #103

Jill Stein has to be receiving money from GOP sources UCmeNdc Aug 2016 #104

Hyperbole Much? billhicks76 Aug 2016 #111

But I still wonder where Jill Steins money resources come from? UCmeNdc Aug 2016 #117

Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #120

Ads Cheaper Than You Realize billhicks76 Aug 2016 #124

Good point, but still - SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #138

This is true PatSeg Aug 2016 #143

I'm afraid of anyone SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #126

Well Donald Trump Is Handing Votes To Hillary billhicks76 Aug 2016 #141

Exactly. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #144

Good point PatSeg Aug 2016 #139

Johnson Has 3-4 Times As Many Vote As Hillary And Climbing Rapidly. billhicks76 Aug 2016 #142

Jill Stein PatSeg Aug 2016 #146

Excuse me? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #184

Lol. Typo billhicks76 Aug 2016 #253

You had me searching for a Michigan poll...lol. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #260

Trump Losing Detroit Suburb Republicans Fast billhicks76 Aug 2016 #263

I get it...LOL Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #264

I presume that you mean 3-4 times as many votes as Stein. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #249

Typo billhicks76 Aug 2016 #254

Jill Stein likes to lie so just underthematrix Aug 2016 #152

That means the Libertarian party is pro-Clinton ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #155

What? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #318

I'm just exploring the logic that left-wing third parties actually ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #359

You assume they have the same intentions. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #363

What is the evidence the Green Party receives money ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #377

She is an idiot and anti-science. Lunabell Aug 2016 #156

If you use your Jillenstein translation device... JSup Aug 2016 #157

Who the hell is paying for thiose ads? obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #158

That's also what I keep wondering. n/t MBS Aug 2016 #162

I heard this woman tell Sam Seder the weekend of the 2012 election.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #159

Wow. So many folks obsessed with Jill Stein. bigwillq Aug 2016 #167

Its rather bizarre, isn't it? PatSeg Aug 2016 #172

I knew all along that JPR's anti vax nutter darling workinclasszero Aug 2016 #168

You Can Hate Her But... colsohlibgal Aug 2016 #185

Snopes didn't blow up anything workinclasszero Aug 2016 #193

Here's what was on Snopes oberliner Aug 2016 #200

She is disingenuous workinclasszero Aug 2016 #201

Those are weasel words rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #409

Not to go off track here, but the MMR vaccine has some questions about its safety. FighttheFuture Aug 2016 #216

Stein is an anti-science pandering quack. There. Now we're back on track. I know you were worried. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #229

yeah right. zappaman Aug 2016 #238

Jill Stein is our competition. That is why we are not being nice to her. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #188

Greens are a millstone around the neck of the progressive moment Politicub Aug 2016 #198

I had someone here tell me they actually thought she would be a fine president. zappaman Aug 2016 #209

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Stein and Nader are a reminder that the far left can be as crazy as the far right. DanTex Aug 2016 #221

I'm far left, and a radical environmentalist. hunter Aug 2016 #242

Fuck that Naderite "Dems are just Repukes" steaming load of bullshit. This is NOT Green Underground. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #223

Amen! Amen! Thom Hartmann has been saying this same thing for a long, long time -- that Jill Stein Akamai Aug 2016 #219

Jill Stein is a fucking embarassment. D23MIURG23 Aug 2016 #220

Saw the commerical for the first time locally.. and she is dismissing Trump as just clueless. Peacetrain Aug 2016 #222

Jill Stein calls Trump clueless. Cue Alanis Morissette! Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #233

Didn't know she was this bad. lark Aug 2016 #230

These third party people should be going for 2020 because... Stellar Aug 2016 #232

Is it neccessary to claim the Greens are the enemy? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #235

It is accurate to claim that Stein is the opposition. But spin on if you feel you must. Squinch Aug 2016 #239

LOL!! It's "spin" to go to the extreme. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #240

The Greens declared us the enemy. Jill Stein is running ads against Hillary as we speak. DanTex Aug 2016 #243

Still consider it to be bad policy to call everyone else the enemy.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #252

Yes it is neccessary to claim the Greens are the enemy. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #324

The Greens don't do that. Ralph Nader does that.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #347

Who is paying for Jill stein's ads...it will come out. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #371

Next you'll claim they're a republican front group. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #376

Based on their actions and who they help...the might as well be a GOP front group but no Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #390

I used to hear that about Greenpeace from someone in the Sierra Club. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #408

Exactly right. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #421

This is why we lose. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #444

WE have lost due to Green Spoiler who hurt the country and millions of innocent people Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #490

Ralph didn't lose us the 2000 election. Fat Tony did. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #509

The Greens are not our allies. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #334

I believe in forming coalitions..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #352

No. We are competeing for the same voters. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #355

We need to attract the folks attracted to them by adopting their positions... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #360

She seems rather vile flamingdem Aug 2016 #245

the worst mistake I made in my life SheriffBob Aug 2016 #246

Can't stand her jeanmarc Aug 2016 #250

A lot of people have seen the ads in the past few days. Onyrleft Aug 2016 #255

Here's my take: Jill Stein DOES want to see President Trump and all the resulting mayhem... Still In Wisconsin Aug 2016 #258

I've no problem being nice to her... Lithos Aug 2016 #261

Good point. Some folks are saying that she may not have been able to recertify. greatlaurel Aug 2016 #273

There has been a lot of money given to opposite spectrum candidates Lithos Aug 2016 #276

To hell with Jill Stein. ronnykmarshall Aug 2016 #270

Where does Bernie fit in this? Whimsey Aug 2016 #282

Stein is anything but Presidential material Ken_Jones21 Aug 2016 #312

Welcome to DU PatSeg Aug 2016 #319

Welcome to DU.How did you find this forum, I am always interested in learning that uppityperson Aug 2016 #346

No. Rex Aug 2016 #325

Me either PatSeg Aug 2016 #328

Greens are hated on this site, it is very obvious. Rex Aug 2016 #329

I've tried to imagine what it must be like PatSeg Aug 2016 #330

We do. Rex Aug 2016 #331

Wow, that would be really overwhelming PatSeg Aug 2016 #332

Also Germany is smaller and not made up of states that are gerrymandered into Rex Aug 2016 #343

I suppose it is hard PatSeg Aug 2016 #349

...and the Chancellor of Germany has alway comes from two of them... brooklynite Aug 2016 #341

Not only that they all got logos! Rex Aug 2016 #342

I know a few Greens Wolf Frankula Aug 2016 #327

You are exactly correct. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #362

I don't even want to read this thread so I'll just throw this in. randome Aug 2016 #340

Stein is trying to get trump elected Gothmog Aug 2016 #358

Stein is trying to expand the Green Party and to pull the electorate to the left. She isn't trying Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #391

She is not trying to expand the Green Party Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #394

Of course she is. Stein wants to hurt Hillary and get Trump elected. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #398

The Minnesota Twins are not the allies of the Chicago Cubs. Yet it is silly to say that the Twins Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #401

That assumes their motives are good and pure. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #406

All those you listed were bad for the party they split with. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #399

Take the higher path, or: Let us now praise Jill Stein WillyBrandt Aug 2016 #410

That's about right! Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #423

Hillarious. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #488

I'm a high school teacher in the NY metro area lapucelle Aug 2016 #429

@#$% Jill Stein. Scurrilous Aug 2016 #447

kick Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #489