2016 Postmortem

Moonwalk

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44. The argument here was that some Sanders supporters were anti-Hillary period....

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:37 PM

Jul 2016

During the primary there were voters for Hillary who were anti-Sanders. And there were voters for Sanders who were anti-Hillary. Some, in both parties were "NOT THIS PERSON EVER!" Meaning, they voted for Sanders because they did not want Hillary, period and vice versa. And we had plenty of threads here with people saying just that. "I will never vote for Hillary/Sanders if they're chosen." The e-mails, however, don't prove that those who wrote them were "I will never vote for Sanders" sorts. We would need evidence that the authors actually went out and committed some kind of sabotage (or arranged for such) to prove there is more to these emails than speculation on how Bernie could lose votes--or even on how to make Bernie lose votes.

All we have in front of us is evidence of these particular "Sanders supporters" bias against Hillary. And so that's all we can really say: "These supporters were always anti-Hillary...not pro-Democrat, possibly not even pro-Sanders." So, yes, they are anti-Hillary...and possibly never were pro-Sanders. Just pro-anyone-but-Hillary.

But I agree that the way this was originally stated, implying that a large number of Sanders supporters were anti-Hillary, is bias. I don't believe a large number of either candidates supporters were anti-the-other-candidate that much. And I suspect that many of these "Sanders or bust" folk are shills for the GOP. Their aim is to make Sanders supporters hate Hillary and the DNC enough not to either not vote, or vote for Trump. The reveal of those e-mails is trying to do just the same. To maintain the "unfair" controversy so that Hillary doesn't get those supporters or votes and Trump has a better chance at winning.

We're doing exactly what they want us to do when we say, "Supporters of this candidate only wanted him because they hated our candidate!" and "Your side has been trying to sabotage ours!" That keeps us harping at each other over past hurts rather than focusing on how to win. We really need to stop this. However hurt we are by any real or perceived unfairness or bias, the fact is that if the Democratic party wins, everyone involved with it wins. And if Trump wins, we all lose.

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Here's some irony: Bernie Sanders is doing more to help Hillary than DWS is. [View all] geek tragedy Jul 2016 OP

Bernie is a patriot and knows the danger this country is facing EricMaundry Jul 2016 #1

Indeed! I'm surprised there hasn't been discussion about this remarkable editorial in the WaPo. Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #34

Anyone who knows Sanders knows he doesn't do anything because of ego.He cares more for ideology bjobotts Jul 2016 #64

It may be ironic but it is not surprising. He has said from Day One that he merrily Jul 2016 #2

DWS has been less than stellar. That's for sure. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #3

It is ratfucking, but DWS isn't the nominee and she doesn't quite realize geek tragedy Jul 2016 #4

I agree. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #7

The ratfucking occurred when the DNC staffers put their thumbs on the scales. Scuba Jul 2016 #11

The rapist Assange and his group are ratfucking. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #12

They'd be firing blanks if not for the DNC's misbehavior. Scuba Jul 2016 #14

What does that have to do with wiki's ratfucking and criminal behavior? NCTraveler Jul 2016 #17

If the wiki release showed the DNC was on the up-and-up there'd be no problem. Scuba Jul 2016 #20

You don't see it because you don't want to. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #22

Yeah, only dirty hippies expect unicorns, rainbows and a fair primary process. Scuba Jul 2016 #24

What does this have to do with hippies, unicorns, rainbows? NCTraveler Jul 2016 #30

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #39

. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #40

FUCK ALL third party Putin-humpers and shills. They have their own sad little websites Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #59

PROUD to be a "dirty hippy" John Poet Jul 2016 #68

Rapist? Yeah, don't like message attack messenger. You are offensively stupid bjobotts Jul 2016 #65

A made up allegation to destroy his character for leaking info on illegal spying bjobotts Jul 2016 #66

unproven allegation at best. Amimnoch Jul 2016 #45

transparency dynamo99 Jul 2016 #51

The NYT says they have traced it back to Russian Intel agencies. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #57

So you're mad that she got caught... Buddyblazon Jul 2016 #54

That isn't what I said. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #56

No. Youre mad about these emails. Buddyblazon Jul 2016 #58

More projection based off nothing I said. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #60

Oh...a smiley face... Buddyblazon Jul 2016 #62

I figured some imagery might help. Words weren't doing it. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #63

Support corrupt practices... Buddyblazon Jul 2016 #67

More irony: his dead-end supporters in Philly are embracing Trumpism against Bernie's wishes. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #5

and chanting "Lock her up!" tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #8

They prove that there was a good number of Bernie voters who were anti-Hillary at heart. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #10

They prove that there was a good number of Bernie voters who were anti-Hillary at heart. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #35

The emails don't prove anything was DONE against Bernie. Proof otherwise? CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #37

Proof otherwise? AlbertCat Jul 2016 #49

What was done that hadn't been decided before Bernie got in the race? CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #50

"Who ya gonna believe? Buddyblazon Jul 2016 #55

The argument here was that some Sanders supporters were anti-Hillary period.... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #44

Or... It could be dirty tricksters. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #16

I've actually been thinking about that... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #18

No, not all of them... Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #23

I totally agree! tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #32

That dirty trick has two parts, the ratfuckers doing the actual action and then others to Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #21

Excellent point. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #26

Good post. bigwillq Jul 2016 #6

Because impartiality. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #9

I agree with this LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #13

He always says "We" not "I" rickford66 Jul 2016 #48

Totally agree. Bernie's speech tonight should be awesome. bullwinkle428 Jul 2016 #15

That's the fact of the day. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #19

I think Bernie has less of an ego than DWS does. Tatiana Jul 2016 #25

DWS has been like an ugly piece of furniture in a corner of the living room geek tragedy Jul 2016 #28

Really? liberal N proud Jul 2016 #27

that is a single, pathetic loser dumbfuck dudebro in his 20's geek tragedy Jul 2016 #29

You keep posting this. It's one sad guy and and some wrinkled signs. Please, FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #46

And the BSers at the convention are not? liberal N proud Jul 2016 #47

EXACTLY!!! onecaliberal Jul 2016 #31

Sanders supports and backs Hillary Clinton. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #33

With Bernie, it never has been about ego, never about him...ever. pangaia Jul 2016 #36

Agreed! Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #38

Exactly. In my view, he never had any interest in being president. pangaia Jul 2016 #41

... geologic Jul 2016 #43

Haven't seen that yet. kstewart33 Jul 2016 #42

DWS= "Turd that won't flush" Peachhead22 Jul 2016 #52

Her attitude has filtered down to where there are people who are obsessed with "loyalty".... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #53

k & r for cogent post! N/T Euphoria Jul 2016 #61

The best thing DWS can do for Hillary is to stay the fuck out of sight, John Poet Jul 2016 #69

I hear Dick Cheney's undisclosed location is available nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #70

Thank you. Excellent OP. Cooley Hurd Jul 2016 #71

You call getting the DNC chairpperson to resign just before the convention to nominate Hillary Shankapotomus Jul 2016 #72