2016 Postmortem

Beacool

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90. Yes, there's a lot in the process that needs to be fixed.

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:03 PM

Jun 2016

There are two times when Sanders truly angered me: 1) When he called Hillary unqualified to be president; 2) When he and his campaign came up with the totally undemocratic strategy to try to flip super delegates to him, when Hillary was far ahead in pledged delegates and the popular vote too. IMO, that was outrageous. He was trying to subvert the will of the people by trying to convince the SD to switch to him.

As for the AP, I don't think that Hillary's campaign had anything to do with this. The AP acted independently to be the first to break the news. Hillary's campaign even put out a statement requesting for people to please go out and vote that there were still six states that hadn't voted. It wasn't to her advantage if her voters had stayed home too.

WA needs to reevaluate their process. It's ridiculous that one candidate got all the delegates from the caucus, when only a handful of people voted. While the winner of the primary, where thousands more people voted, didn't get one single delegate. That makes no sense.

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Advice to Hillary in advance of her meeting with Sanders on Tuesday [View all] Attorney in Texas Jun 2016 OP

No mention of caucuses? They are undemocratic as well. redstateblues Jun 2016 #1

They're going out largely at state initiative. Chan790 Jun 2016 #97

I've been to two now. I don't like them Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #176

I urge Hillary to keep with her winning strategy with her own experts, and without the advice of DU Lil Missy Jun 2016 #2

Yep. n/t Lucinda Jun 2016 #4

Indeed!😎 robbedvoter Jun 2016 #43

Her support base has shrunk continually for a solid year AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #52

Yeah sure rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #55

In a period of a year AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #75

So? No one had heard of him rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #76

Because the MSM refused to acknowledge his existence AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #77

I'm talking about before he declared rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #80

24/7 Sanders and tRump were plastered on the news MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #120

wrong swhisper1 Jun 2016 #130

Bernie Sanders More Than Triples Hillary Clinton in Sunday Show Appearances Fla Dem Jun 2016 #175

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #177

Sanders was plastered on the news 24/7? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #131

Here in Chicago it was Sanders all the time MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #133

No it wasn't AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #136

All we saw on the news through most of the primary was Sanders, Sanders, Sanders Mr Maru Jun 2016 #159

Come on now, when you don't have an opponent, of course your lead is huge. brush Jun 2016 #158

the little darlings refuse to see or feel. Hillary peaked before she ran swhisper1 Jun 2016 #110

I'ts SO APPROPRIATE that BOTH of those things are a complete myth Mr Maru Jun 2016 #160

Oh Bless your heart! Fla Dem Jun 2016 #170

In posts further down I have posted polls that refute your claim. Post proof of Fla Dem Jun 2016 #166

Not that it matters now TheFarseer Jun 2016 #122

I guess his non-voters weren't all that committed then rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #124

Oh so even though the "media" sent a coded message out not to vote, HRC supporters Fla Dem Jun 2016 #173

The media was telling HRC supporters they could be part of history TheFarseer Jun 2016 #179

Her support by DEMOCRATS has remained high. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #149

She steadily lost support for an entire year AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #150

No. HRC has not steadily lost her support base. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #163

Her numbers dropped while his rose AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #168

LOL, you can't show me can you? Fla Dem Jun 2016 #169

this! Her Sister Jun 2016 #121

Excellent work on that unity thing! Phlem Jun 2016 #151

This. And because closed primaries are the only way to go. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2016 #164

This is ridiculous. What other modern losing primary candidate exercised this much control? BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #3

I think the future SOS did Skink Jun 2016 #7

You think. LOL boston bean Jun 2016 #9

Love your attitude. senz Jun 2016 #11

As compared to the attitude that the woman who wins should cede control KittyWampus Jun 2016 #31

You forget that Hill, if she wins, would need Bernie's supporters. senz Jun 2016 #32

She will get the support of those that care about our future. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #171

I've seen things in my fellow liberals..... MaggieD Jun 2016 #67

Yes, but they're not all liberals by a long shot. Hortensis Jun 2016 #118

extremists exist and rarely see themself as same swhisper1 Jun 2016 #146

Right. I probably shouldn't have said just "weird," Hortensis Jun 2016 #174

right field ranting wont get you anywhere. Gender is irreverent and a hangup swhisper1 Jun 2016 #144

Co President? That list is beyond even Co president. Only a man would lose and demand he be the boss seabeyond Jun 2016 #24

Exactly. athena Jun 2016 #78

Bingo! annavictorious Jun 2016 #82

Hillary, in 2008 democrattotheend Jun 2016 #27

12 million votes. Does she want them or not? jillan Jun 2016 #37

I would tell him to f off honestly he lost. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #69

You seem nice.... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #109

You're hardly the spokesperson for 12 million people. I LOL'd though, so you accomplished that. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #79

You only speak for one vote, dear. annavictorious Jun 2016 #85

Over 80% already said they would comfortably vote Clinton, .... Without threat. seabeyond Jun 2016 #91

80 % of dems is about 15% of all americans, but go ahead and close the door swhisper1 Jun 2016 #111

OK, do you have the key? Fla Dem Jun 2016 #172

it's a matter of 🍆 vs no 🍆. Girls are not allowed on podiums and can't robbedvoter Jun 2016 #45

For reals MaggieD Jun 2016 #65

Don't play that slight of hand about the 22 states. Zynx Jun 2016 #5

Out of the top 10 largest states Hillary won 9 out of 10. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #157

You forgot to tell her to make him a sandwich. Squinch Jun 2016 #6

Ha! randome Jun 2016 #8

And a jehop61 Jun 2016 #12

Exactly. So tiresome. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #25

Oh, cooperation is considered sexist now? senz Jun 2016 #33

not that what the OP is suggesting is cooperation more like co-opt- eration. DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #162

Perfect !!! ROFLMAO rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #57

No shit MaggieD Jun 2016 #70

Or iron his shirt. okasha Jun 2016 #100

Exactly this. n/t Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #104

Hogwash. procon Jun 2016 #10

Ariund 40 percent supported him for a reason Armstead Jun 2016 #17

And over 40% of those were republicans, Libertarians and baggers who would never vote Dem. seabeyond Jun 2016 #26

Link? B Calm Jun 2016 #36

Yeah sure whatever you say absolutely yeppers makes perfect sense Armstead Jun 2016 #47

the West Virginia exit polls DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #103

Yeppers the whole nation is West Virginia Armstead Jun 2016 #105

Have you seen so.e of these CT posts:; straight out of the R. Paul contingent DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #107

the General isnt about dems. Is that why you hate Bernie because he has the support of non dems swhisper1 Jun 2016 #112

There will always be a group of white men that will never vote Clinton in. They particiapted seabeyond Jun 2016 #123

I do not see a point you are making swhisper1 Jun 2016 #142

Hey, Hill fans! Keep telling us what you think of us! senz Jun 2016 #13

This is a thread of someone telling the winning candidate what he thinks of her. Squinch Jun 2016 #14

Actually, the OP advocates for progressive goals senz Jun 2016 #16

Certainly not! No one is pure except those BS has allowed his followers to admire. That is until Squinch Jun 2016 #18

I still like Liz just fine. She did what she had to do and I'm pretty sure senz Jun 2016 #19

She didn't like it? What you mean is that YOU don't like it. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #115

I dont think Sanders would presume to TELL anyone what to do or say or think swhisper1 Jun 2016 #143

Ok, you asked... GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #108

Dear Skinner....this is what you are left with. peace13 Jun 2016 #138

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #15

Queen of entitlement, words from sore losers. seabeyond Jun 2016 #22

Sexist words rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #59

Ya, of course. But hey, even I get tired of saying it. Bitter and loser for sure, not accepting seabeyond Jun 2016 #63

Yes you see the people's revolution rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #66

Here's what I don't understand creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #30

Taking others into consideration as part of an agreement senz Jun 2016 #34

Which is why trying to fold in his supporters into glowing Jun 2016 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Jun 2016 #41

Ugh. I don't know who you're talking to senz Jun 2016 #44

Oh, crap! Sorry, senz! I meant to post to Attorney. I was agreeing with you. Will delete. ancianita Jun 2016 #46

All reasonable requests andym Jun 2016 #20

Wow. We should have simply elected him, instead of neutering Clinton in the name of Sanders. seabeyond Jun 2016 #21

I think these are good ideas democrattotheend Jun 2016 #23

I thought she was leaning towards someone like Kasich for a VP choice NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #28

If she could get away with it, she totally would. She is well right of Nixon Vote2016 Jun 2016 #48

I recall there was actually some discussion of it on Hardball, as if they were releasing NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #50

This would be her preference if left to her own devices. Let's not leave her to her own devices. Vote2016 Jun 2016 #102

That seems a bit much, considering... Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author senz Jun 2016 #35

I don't believe in royalty... Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #38

Just can't help yourselves rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #60

You are really disrespectful and dismissive of the peoples voice. seabeyond Jun 2016 #64

As a Berner, I like this. ancianita Jun 2016 #42

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #39

Lol! You are amusingly gullible! Vote2016 Jun 2016 #40

Frankly, I don't give a fig about super delegates. Beacool Jun 2016 #49

You would had she been a little short. Skink Jun 2016 #54

My point is that the super delegates are not as undemocratic as some think they are. Beacool Jun 2016 #58

There was a fear early in the primary that they would. strategery blunder Jun 2016 #81

Yes, there's a lot in the process that needs to be fixed. Beacool Jun 2016 #90

To be fair... strategery blunder Jun 2016 #117

The supers are there so that Dems don't nominate a Trump DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #106

dems by definition cannot elect a Trump- no, it is DNC control and undemocratic swhisper1 Jun 2016 #113

Well, it probably did have an effect in convincing some people that Bernie never could be nominated. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #84

I don't think so. Beacool Jun 2016 #87

I think that it will go fine MFM008 Jun 2016 #51

Why not just give him the nomination? You suggest giving away everything else. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #53

Nothing he'd be "given" is bad for HRC or her supporters. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #73

Completely remaking the party for a lose is a bad precedent. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #83

The ultimate goal is to win a general election. That's a whole new world. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #89

I think Hillary and Obama know more about how to win than Bernie does. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #94

My advice to Clinton is.... MaggieD Jun 2016 #56

They're in the bargaining phase rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #61

Well that is progress MaggieD Jun 2016 #62

Yep rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #68

Exactly right nt. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #71

"Give Sanders what he wants" itsrobert Jun 2016 #72

As a candidate. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #74

Considering your track record on analysis and predictions during this campaign season so far.. DCBob Jun 2016 #86

LOL still_one Jun 2016 #88

What the actual fuck? No, 1000x no, not even a remote chance of any of this Tarc Jun 2016 #92

Indeed bluedye33139 Jun 2016 #96

He should have just conceded after California. I know he wants you stay in to keep his AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #116

4. Make sure there's a metal detector LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #95

So funny! peace13 Jun 2016 #139

Are you going to the state convention? Gothmog Jun 2016 #98

Excellent Post ! Reccomend 2banon Jun 2016 #99

the only reason he won Colorado is because it was a caucaus state DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #101

Not true. Bernie had the most popular vote hands down, and still does swhisper1 Jun 2016 #114

Pueblo, CO with lots of Latinos! Her Sister Jun 2016 #126

so? Latinos like Bernie too and would certainly choose him over Trump. What is your point? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #129

What is your point? Point is about Colorado and caucuses... and all that fun stuff... Her Sister Jun 2016 #135

demographics lean liberal in Colo.Bumper stickers are predominently Bernie, then Trump, then a swhisper1 Jun 2016 #141

Nah! Am military, was stationed in Colorado! Her Sister Jun 2016 #147

I too was born and educated here, military. and I repeat, you are wrong swhisper1 Jun 2016 #148

"you are wrong" lol! Her Sister Jun 2016 #155

My advice would be a little different. MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #119

I love it! (eom) athena Jun 2016 #125

You guys are so big and strong....and powerful. peace13 Jun 2016 #127

Not go to hell. I would never say that, however I would say just go away. MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #134

Despicable comment. peace13 Jun 2016 #137

You may alert away. MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #145

In other words, do what no male nominee has ever been expected to do. LexVegas Jun 2016 #128

Thank you -- exactly this obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #132

I hope everyone notices this was a hit and run. DCBob Jun 2016 #140

The Horror. Quick! Call 911! Phlem Jun 2016 #152

Its an indicator of the intentions of this poster. DCBob Jun 2016 #153

Uh huh. He's going to commit a crime in the future don't cha know! Phlem Jun 2016 #156

Dude, your on Hillary Underground. Phlem Jun 2016 #154

That's right. The OP has absolutely nothing to do with unity. It's about the Losers Lil Missy Jun 2016 #161

Every little bit helps. But that help will be limited when his organization LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #165

Tell me what male democratic nominee would accept these demands? Fla Dem Jun 2016 #167

Three more days RobertEarl Jun 2016 #178