2016 Postmortem

apnu

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40. Wow that's some bullshit.

Fri May 20, 2016, 03:37 PM

May 2016

Clinton, not you.

To be clear, I'm not defending Clinton in any way. My motivation here is solve the problem of what happened when and why.

Unlike many on this board, I don't think Hillary did any of these things our of malicious intent. I do not believe she is the devil, a Republican, or right of George W. Bush (Yeah I've seen that said here too, crazy right?)

I think she screwed up. I think she screwed up because of a combination of frustration with the inconveniences of security, a "i'm-the-fucking-boss" arrogance, and working faster, not smarter. None of that is good news, but none of that is malicious or evil.

I tread a line between Hillary-bots and Sanders rabid puppies. I'm concerned with knowing the truth in matters and fighting for liberal and progressive causes. I don't give a crap who gets us there, so long as we get there. If that's Hillary, fine. If that's Bernie, that's fine too.

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Hillary's classified email [View all] pdsimdars May 2016 OP

Hillary Fans share the same hubris with their Supreme Commander berni_mccoy May 2016 #1

I never heard of a category called above top secret until the Hillary scandal. But, I am doubt that merrily May 2016 #2

I'll be posting more as I learn more, but some of it is so shocking you can't believe she actually pdsimdars May 2016 #11

Two Americas. One for the rich, powerful and well-connected and one for everyone else. merrily May 2016 #14

Carlin was, as usual, on point... Yurovsky May 2016 #34

No, I think they know they are not. But they have other reasons to support her, I think. merrily May 2016 #38

Exactly. tazkcmo May 2016 #103

It is just stunningly reckless. grasswire May 2016 #39

Reckless, suspect and incredibly entitled. merrily May 2016 #76

"It is all about me" Samantha May 2016 #82

my understanding is that.. grasswire May 2016 #83

Yes, I know -- there just is no easy way out Samantha May 2016 #84

If Hillory Clinton were to be found guilty while Obama is still in office, I suppose Cal33 May 2016 #93

Not remotely possible for her to be found guilty while Obama is still in office karynnj May 2016 #96

she's too big to fail? n/t mooseprime May 2016 #102

Thank You For Trying To Open SOME People's Eyes! ChiciB1 May 2016 #47

That is the way I feel Samantha May 2016 #80

Paul Thompson was saying that an indictment will take a long time but just the recommendation pdsimdars May 2016 #94

I read that Comey is a Republican. I wonder how much of a difference that would make Cal33 May 2016 #98

He's supposedly a very straight shooter. . . probably why Obama chose him. pdsimdars May 2016 #100

I sure hope he is a "very straight shooter." Thanks for the info. Cal33 May 2016 #107

Politics have become such that only those who join the IN group - those who have Cal33 May 2016 #97

I have not given up hope either, Cal33 Samantha May 2016 #106

Yup. I am hanging in. Cal33 May 2016 #108

I'm pretty confident that the FBI will recommend indictment. frylock May 2016 #28

We'll see soon enough. If it's going to happen, I hope it happens before July. merrily May 2016 #31

Sigh. grasswire May 2016 #43

It depends on what the FBI does and how blatant it is. Calista241 May 2016 #70

The FBI is part of the Executive branch and Obama heads the Executive branch. merrily May 2016 #72

Isn't Sidney Blumenthal a journalist? apnu May 2016 #3

Blumenthal was supposedly getting info from a retired CIA guy, Tyler Drumheller 2cannan May 2016 #4

OK, consider this. apnu May 2016 #7

Come on now. Once someone leaves Langley, their memory is wiped? Like Matt Damon's? merrily May 2016 #15

I think you miss my point apnu May 2016 #17

It lies with anyone blabbing classified info, especially carelessly, IMO. merrily May 2016 #19

Yes it does, who did the blabbing? apnu May 2016 #20

Two of them or all three. merrily May 2016 #21

remember, Drumheller and Blumenthal BOTH were ginning up business interests.. grasswire May 2016 #45

OK, I won't argue that. apnu May 2016 #73

that particular intel was fresh, and was from an NSA communication. grasswire May 2016 #74

But of course, the Blumenthal end of things is only part truedelphi May 2016 #79

People who don't understand tend to confuse DOD with MADem May 2016 #5

I largely agree but think its a little different apnu May 2016 #8

POTUS doesn't write the rule books, but he can change them MADem May 2016 #9

Obama hasn't done that. apnu May 2016 #10

He wouldn't do it until he was going out the door. MADem May 2016 #16

Obama's a classy guy. apnu May 2016 #18

It would also tarnish his legacy, which, as we're constantly reminded, frylock May 2016 #30

I hope he's going to cut her loose to face the music. grasswire May 2016 #46

He's not stupid, and I don't think he really likes her at all. frylock May 2016 #56

yes grasswire May 2016 #60

he could pardon her. october surprise lol. elehhhhna May 2016 #27

A pardon would really have people running to vote for her in November. Silver's poll says so. merrily May 2016 #41

I believe pardons can be kept from the public. elehhhhna May 2016 #66

Good luck with that! merrily May 2016 #68

She didn't have a secure set up, not was it approved by Intelligence. Fawke Em May 2016 #61

Guidelines, rules, etc. aren't 'laws.' MADem May 2016 #63

"There is a clear process to classify information and multiple levels of classification. Fawke Em May 2016 #24

Ok, I see where you're going. apnu May 2016 #25

That's why she was REQUIRED to participate in annual compliance training.. frylock May 2016 #32

I believe that apnu May 2016 #35

I do, too. Fawke Em May 2016 #37

Yes, there are. apnu May 2016 #58

Exactly. I have to take HIPAA compliance training every year. frylock May 2016 #65

What were to happen to you if you failed to complete your compliance training IRL? frylock May 2016 #55

Yes of course. apnu May 2016 #59

You knnd of implied that it was no big deal that Hillary skipped out on her training.. frylock May 2016 #64

No. That was never my intention apnu May 2016 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #81

She is SUPPOSED to know that is classified. Fawke Em May 2016 #36

Wow that's some bullshit. apnu May 2016 #40

Intent is irrelevent when deciding to indict or not in this case. tazkcmo May 2016 #105

I think you are wrong Cordy Jun 2016 #112

Look, I don't think she'll be indicted, but I think she broke the law. If she does not know in her merrily May 2016 #44

I am being real. apnu May 2016 #53

Federal records law, for one. merrily May 2016 #54

The Archives laws are different form classification and discrimination of emails apnu May 2016 #57

Intent or ignorance have no bearing in the criminal matter. grasswire May 2016 #49

*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP* Tarc May 2016 #6

Clap, clap ... fucking clap. nt. polly7 May 2016 #13

It's all fun and games until... NWCorona May 2016 #22

Ha! frylock May 2016 #33

You should get that stuff in your subject line checked out. nc4bo May 2016 #42

You know what I think is especially sad? polly7 May 2016 #12

freelance ocf we the books state dept. Blumenthal... elehhhhna May 2016 #29

THIS IS WHY we cannot trust her with the reins of power. grasswire May 2016 #50

I draw other conclusions. polly7 May 2016 #86

Sigh yes. grasswire May 2016 #95

To add: Fawke Em May 2016 #23

And she sent that information right along. pdsimdars May 2016 #69

So, what credentials are provided for making such a statement as "clearly classified information"? tonyt53 May 2016 #26

Someone with an axe to grind, or maybe a book to promote? nt procon May 2016 #48

Charles McCullough, Inspector General Intelligence Community IdaBriggs May 2016 #52

Wow, fox news couldn't have said it better ! The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #51

Actually that is not totally accurate, Petreas LIED to the FBI about holding onto materials Rex May 2016 #62

And all Hillary did was to have the classified information on a private server OUTSIDE pdsimdars May 2016 #71

Yes, she did withhold and delete classified documents. grasswire May 2016 #75

Like Bernie keeps saying: "It's about her JUDGEMENT." (or lack of it) southerncrone May 2016 #77

And on issue after issue, Hillary always seems to choose the WRONG side. pdsimdars May 2016 #85

All true, but all irrelevant, because..... jack_krass May 2016 #87

Hadn't you heard . . .. pdsimdars May 2016 #92

Well this thread cinched it... jamese777 May 2016 #78

Under US law, it is not illegal to publish classified information. BlueStateLib May 2016 #88

Tell that so Snowden pdsimdars May 2016 #89

Maybe if a 3rd party gave info to Snowden that he then published would be an example BlueStateLib May 2016 #90

Nope, you just got it wrong. Plain and simple pdsimdars May 2016 #91

Wrong again bob. pdsimdars May 2016 #99

I thought the Messiah Bernie Sanders was tired of hearing about her doc03 May 2016 #101

He is Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #104

Isn't that just what the RW trolls used to call Obama -- the messiah? pdsimdars May 2016 #109

That's right they did. But now the people that thought Obama was the Messiah doc03 May 2016 #110

Wow that's some stretch. . . does it hurt when you do it or are you used to it by now.? pdsimdars May 2016 #111